[tied] Re: Albanian Names (2) -> Bessa comeback

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:08:34 +0000, m_iacomi <m_iacomi@...> wrote:
>
> >--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci" wrote:
> >
> >> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...>

wrote:

> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 04:33:29 +0000, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
> >>>> [...]
> >>>> Proto-Albanian: biTs/ia: {2}
> >>>> [...]
> >>>
> >>> I can't consult the Leiden online Demiraj at the
> >>> moment, so I can't parse the Proto-Albanian form you give

as "biTs/ia"

> >>> [...]
> >>
> >> Proto-Albanian: biTs´iƒ {2}
> >> [...]
> >
> > Since you made a "fullquote", you should have realized that
> >Demiraj's entry for "besë" was already quoted by "alexandru_mg3"
> >and that Miguel's comments are related to precisely that entry.
> >So there was no need to quote it again as "explanation" which
> >doesn't explain anything.
>
> Well, first I had "biTs/ia", now I got "biTs´iƒ", so putting the two
> together I now have "biTs´iA". I still don't get it. What

is "T"? What

> is the final vowel? And I still get "The connection was refused

when

> attempting to contact iiasnt.leidenuniv.nl".
>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...

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Well, I try just to help with materials I got, but it seems that I
make some one anger. I guess that cluster /Ts/ is used for Alb. /s/,
as is /Dz/ for Alb. /z/. And, probably for [f.=feminine] stands f.
But, I believe that <besa> is a very recent word. In fact, it is
denominal of Alb. verb <besoj> 'to believe, truth', like:
<presë> 'pressing machine, thin edge' < pres 'to cut, to crop',
<shpënesë> (Buzuku) 'hope' from verb. <shpenoj> (today <shpëresë>
from <shpresoj> 'to hope'), <harresë> 'forgetfulness'from
<harroj> 'to forget', etc. So, any connection with tribe name Bessi
looks to me very impossible.

Konushevci