Re: Albanian Names (2) -> Bessa comeback

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci" wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 04:33:29 +0000, alexandru_mg3 wrote:

[...]

>>> Here is Demiraj derivation for besa:
>>>
>>> Albanian form: bese' [f] (tg)
>>> Meaning: faithfulness, faith
>>> Proto-Albanian: biTs/ia: {2}
>>> Other Alb. forms: besoj [verb] (tg) {3} `to believe'
>>> Page in Demiraj AE: 96
>>> IE reconstruction: bh(e)idhi- {1}
>>> Meaning of the IE root: persuasion, oath
>>> Greek: `persuasion'
>>> Notes: {1} Based on the genitive. {2} Phonetically, a full
>>>grade form PAlb. *beiTs/ia: is also possible. {3} Denominative
>>>formation in -o- of Alb. origin.

[...]

>> Demiraj apparently preferred a derivation from *bheidh-. I must
>> say I don't fully understand Demiraj's etymology. A derivation
>> from the genitive of *bh(e)idhi- (*bh(e)idiós?, *bh(e)idhéis?)
>> could perhaps lead to Alb. *biz-, not to besë.

[...]

>> In Pokorny's IEW, by the way, besë is given _both_ under *bheidh
>> and under *bhendh-.

[...]

> Demiraj's explanation:
>
> Albanian form: bese¨ [f] (tg)
> Meaning: faithfulness, faith
> Proto-Albanian: biTs´iƒ {2}
> Other Alb. forms: besoj [verb] (tg) {3} `to believe'
> See also: be
> Page in Demiraj AE: 96
> IE reconstruction: bh(e)idhi- {1}
> Meaning of the IE root: persuasion, oath
> Certainty: +
> Page in Pokorny: 117
> Greek: peiqè `persuasion'
> Notes: {1} Based on the genitive. {2} Phonetically, a full grade

form

> PAlb. *beiTs´iƒ is also possible. {3} Denominative formation in -o-
> of Alb. origin.

Since you made a "fullquote", you should have realized that
Demiraj's entry for "besë" was already quoted by "alexandru_mg3"
and that Miguel's comments are related to precisely that entry.
So there was no need to quote it again as "explanation" which
doesn't explain anything.

> Albanian form: be [f] (tg)
> Meaning: oath, vow
> Proto-Albanian: bei(d-)?
> Other Alb. forms: pe¨rbej [verb] (tg) `to swear, take the oath';
> betoj [verb] (tg) `to put on the oath'
> See also: bese¨
> Page in Demiraj AE: 94
> IE reconstruction: bheidhi-
> Meaning of the IE root: persuasion
> Certainty: +
> Page in Pokorny: 117
> Greek: peiqè `persuasion'

So?!

Regards,
Marius Iacomi