Re: [tied] Romance Relatives of Latin _gingi:va_ (was: illyrian lex

Richard Wordingham wrote:

>> words from the same root (*geng-) are "gânguri" and "gângãvi" with
>> their derivatives; DEX see here onomatopeas or loans from Slavic
>> (gângav
> < Sl.
>> go~gnavU)
>
> Surely *geng- should have resulted in a soft 'g' (/Z/), as in
> _gingie_!

>
> The first vowel is interesting. The fate of the first vowel, be it
> *e, *e: or *i, depends on whether it is stressed. If stressed, it
> should yield _i_; if unstressed, it should yield _e_. It's just
> possible that if unstressed, the result could start geâ- /Z1/.
> Forms starting "gâ" are implausible derivatives of *geng-.

Not quiet. It pretty depeneds when unstressed /e/ > /ã/; If this
happened before palatalisation of "g" then the result of "geng-" is
"gãng-" > "gâng"; if the palatalisation of "g" happened before, then you
are right and the result should have been "g^eng-".

>
> I presume _gingie_ is stressed on the first syllable. Latin
> _gingi:va_ was stressed on the second syllable. Why did the stress
> move? Italian _gengiva_ is stressed on the second syllable. If
> Spanish _encía_ be related, note that it too is stressed on the same
> syllable. French _gencive_ also argues for a stress on the second
> syllable.
>
> Richard.

"gingíe" has the stress on second "i" as in Latin, Italian, French.
"gângav" has no stress.

Alex