Re: The Return of the Knight Who Says "Një"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> >> amalusta considered to have been meant "camomile"; Jokle

compared it

> >> with Alb. word "ambëlë" which means "sweet". Why should be a
> > camomile
> >> sweet, that was unexplained, but the connection is made even

today.

> >> The taste of camomile is far away from being sweet, but is

bitter.

> >> The PIE *omlos . If it meant "bitter" and Dacian word was indeed
> > from
> >> this , then the unsuffixed form should be maybe *amalu(s) +

suffix

> >> *(s)ta ?
> >> Interesting, Latin "amarus" (bitter) is seen as deriving from

*am-

> > ro- as
> >> reduced form of *omo-; the Indic forms present both liquids "l"
> > and "r"
> >> in the reflexes of the PIE root.
> >>
> >> Alex
> > ************
> > Why should, for heaven's sake, PIE *omlos be *amalu(s)-?
> >
> > Konushevci
>
> Just a simple wild speculation with not very much base. If the word
> meant "camomile" as PA mentionated it I thought to corelate the

name of

> the plant with the taste of bitter as it tastes.
> On this basis, thinking at the PIE *omlos which meant bitter, then

it

> should be probable that PIE *omlos > Dacian amalus.
>
> About initial "o" I cannot say anything since the names of rivers

and

> some names and toponymes presents an initial "o". If this is from an
> short or long "o" that is not sure at all. I will present some of

them:

>
> Rivers:Ordessos, Oskios
> Toponyms:Outidava, Ofiousa, Odessos, Orgame (Orgalema), Ozubia,
> Olodoris, Ourbriana, Odriozo
> Name of the tribes: Oboulensioi, Oitensioi,
> Names: Dacian name Oroles, Thracian name Oloros; Oikorsis

(attested

> in Moesia Inferior)
>
> In the Illirian regions we have too something:
> Orgame, Orgesos, Orgomenai, Ozobia, Ozuaei
> For "Oescus" from Moesia Superior, Pogirc shows as cognate Illyrian
> "Uscana";
> In fact he see more equivalents between Dacian & Ilirian rivers and
> toponyms as between Daciaan and the Thracian; some other conclude

that

> the classic Thracian Theritory, south of Balkan mountains, should

have

> been "new" Thracian, due migrations from Dacian space.
> If this should be true, then the old idea with Migration from South

to

> North, seems a bit strange since one will expect to have more
> Thracian-Dacian toponyms as Ilirian-Dacian.
>
> Alex

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First of all, I like to point out that at most all PIE adjectives end
in -os: *ag^Hlos 'rapide, agile', *agho(lo)s 'mauvais',
*alyos 'autre', *alpos 'petit, faible', *anteros 'autre (de deux)',
*austeros 'de l'Est oriental', *belos 'fort' *bhidtos 'fendu',
*bhodhHeros 'sourd', *bhorgWos 'inamical, violent',
*dHgmos 'oblique', *deksinos 'a droite', *derketos 'visible',
*dl.ghos 'long', *dwenos 'utile, bon, capable', *enteros 'inerieur',
*erHmos 'calme', *e:tros 'rapide, violent', *gnotos 'connu', etc.,
because the row could be very long (X. Delamarre, VIE, pp. 219 et
passim).
Second, the adjective, for example' *ag^los, to my view, is derived
from the name in lo-Stem, like *omlos (root *om-), where this lo-
Stem, as in Latin, as in Albanian, derives -il/-ul(l), so we have
normally Alb. primary form *amul/ëmël, and secondary forms
*ambël/ëmbël 'sweet, bitter' (tamlagjak 'celandine' < bitter fluid).

Konushevci