Re: [tied] language shift ( it was Celts & Cimmerians)

From: Glen Gordon
Message: 27044
Date: 2003-11-11

Alex, indirectly admitting that he's wrong, states:
>People, IMHO a language dies out and it does not became abandoned.

Oh god. This is a stupid semantic game. This doesn't change anything.
A language "dies out" then. Who cares -- It's the same damn thing.

Your problem is that you don't even know what "abandon" means. As
I said, it means "let go" or "forget about". Trust me, I'm a native English
speaker, and your competency of English isn't up to par yet. When
a language is said to "be abandoned", it dies out. Exactly the same thing.
Maybe it doesn't make sense in Romanian but we aren't speaking
Romanian.

This is half of the problem underlying your misunderstanding of posts of
List members. The other half might be that you're too focused on
individual words to see the full meaning of a sentence.


>You can not abandon a thing which is within you, that is a fact.

If you insist on childish semantics, then I might as well correct you:

The above is not a "fact". It is "thought", "opinion" or "philosophical
statement". (Translation: "p�rere") It has no logical relevance to this
debate for that very reason.


>The use of the word "abandon" here appears just as metaphor[...]

Metaphor of what? Do you even know what a metaphor is? At this
rate, everything is a metaphor and nothing has meaning. In which
case, you're on the wrong List buddy. This ain't the Existential
Forum.


>The job of any language -short said- is to make the comunication
>posible.

Yes, that's true but your job seems to be to make it impossible.


>[Influence of English on actual languages] is a fact which cannot be denied
>.

Finally. A light shines.


>Even if there are 50% of imported words which are used in another language,
>this is still no language shift.

It's strongly indicative of a language shift, yes. A high degree of
bilingualism
in a population facilitates the adoption of one language over the other.
In Canada, there is a strong degree of bilingualism because the national
languages happen to be English and French. Coincidentally, French borrows
heavily from surrounding English, enough to spur enough fear of language
death in francophones that Bill 101 had been adopted. (Maybe you should
look up Quebec's Bill 101. It has to do with language replacement as well
as the irrational but modern nationalistic fears that you yourself harbour.)


>The answers for such questions will handle with provable facts [...]

No, the question has already been answered but you're being ignorant now.
You've done this before with others and they've objected to your stubborn
attitude as well. When ten people say you're being frustratingly stubborn
maybe there's some fact to that opinion.

You want to play games and avoid these facts in favour of a philosophy all
your own. What can be done? I guess you're just going to have to lie in your
own puddle of drool until you come around.


= gLeN

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