Re: Albanian names (2) -> Besa, Besiana ("Google 1720" to "Google z

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> 04-11-03 20:16, alex wrote:
>
> > If we accept that "s" in "sorë" ios because of a "ke, ki" then one
> > should accept the "s" in besë" can be from an "ke, ki" as well":
>
> No. In <sorë> the *s comes from *k^w-. There's no other way to get

Alb.

> s from *k^.
>
> > since
> > the last wovel now is an "ë", this one can be just form an "a" or

an

> > "e";
>
> No. The usual source of Alb. -ë (word-finally) is *-a:. An *-e (or

*-o,

> for that matter) would have been deleted.
>
> > in this way we exculde "i" but we remain with "e";(1)
> > The question sould be which is the origin of the "e" here.
> >
> > One thought more about. Should be the word "bast" (Wette) related

here?

> > Semanticaly this should be too a kind of pactum.
>
> I'll be hanged if I understand what you mean. Anyways, to get

<besë>

> from *pak^- (even ignoring the question of *p- > b-, which mustn't

be

> left unaccounted for) you'd need something like *pak^wih2 (so that

*a

> can become umlauted to give modern <e>, and *-k^w- can produce <s>)
> transformed into an *-a: stem. But what the heck is *pak^wih2? An
> unheard-of derivative (and the embarrassing question of *p- > b-
> remains). Your proposal creates lost of problems and solves none.
>
> Piotr

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PIE root *pak^-/pag^ 'to fasten' derives in Albanian verb <mbath> 'to
shoe, to fill up, to put on, to wear' <*ambhi-+ pak^-, antonym
<zbath> 'to take off the shoes, to unshod'.
I am afraid here belongs to most popular verb <puthem> 'to kiss, to
agree' and <puthit> 'to fit tightly, to match, to agree', comparable
with Latin <pax> 'peace' < a binding together by agreement (Watkinks,
*pag-).
I don't know could here belongs also Alb. <peng> from nasalized form
*pank^- > pang, later <peng> 'pawn, pledge' as a collective plural
and <pash> 'stake, fathom (=188 cm)'.

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