Re: [tied] Celtic and Baltic

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:

> 05-11-03 22:22, Jim Rader wrote:
>
>> What other etyma are found only in Celtic and Balto-Slavic? The only
>> one I can think of OTOH is *sloug- in OCS <sluga>, "servant,"
>> Lithuanian <slaugà>, "service," beside Old Irish <slóg, sluag>,
>> "armed host," Welsh <llu>. The Belgic tribal name <Catuslugi>
>> points to *ou rather than *au as the original vocalism, I
>> think--can't tell from the later Celto-Balto-Slavic forms, which
>> merge these diphthongs. There is divergence in meaning, but cf. OCS
>> <voevodiny slugy>, "armed retainers" (druZiniki).
>
> For example:
>
> Celt. *dru:to- 'strong' : Baltic *dru:ta-
> Celt. *dubro- 'water' : Latv. dubra 'puddle', Slavic *dUbrI 'a hollow'
> Celt. *dubno- 'deep' : BSl. *dubna- 'bottom'
> Celt. *kom-atros 'co-father' (< *kom-p&2tro-) : E & W Slavic *kUmotrU
> (here the absence of *p leaves no doubt as to the origin)
> Celt. *wranka: 'paw, limb' : BSl. ranka: 'hand'
>
> In some cases it's a particular derivative (cf. the case of *dHub-ro-,
> *dHub-no-) or a characteristic meaning (the case of *wranka:) that
> suggests a connection, while the root may be more widespread. In the
> case of Slavic *kUmotrU the Christian meaning 'godfather' may be
> secondary. Gaulish <komaterekos> supports the netymology.
>
> Stalmaszczyk and Witczak (Linguistica Baltica 4 [1995]) give more
> examples, but not all of them are quite convincing.
>
> Piotr
>

What I fail to understand dear Piotr, is how could Slavic "U" about you
said it was a kind of schwa to give in Rom. and Alb. "u".
Rom. "cumãtru", Alb. "Kumtër". Rom. "cumãtru" cf. DEX < Sl. "kUmotra".

As for Albanian, do even think that the "shorted" derivatives are not
related to this .... slavic word?
kume= patenkind
kumë= Trauzeugin, Taufpatin
kumtëri= Patenschaft
kumtër= Pate, Trauzeuge

Beside the phonetical aspect (it seems the Slavs got it from
Romanian -because of ending -tru; more, see absence of the word in
Baltic )it appears highly improbable that Albanian derived the words
"kume" and "kumë", shortening the slavic word, don't you find?

Alex