[tied] Re: Pre-Germanic speculation

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Piotr Gasiorowski"
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:55 AM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Pre-Germanic speculation
>
> >> What speaks against a derivation from something like
> >> */herunðo:/, related to ON <hjarni> 'brain' and <horn>
> >> 'horn' and signifying something like '[rock-]topped'?
>
> > Is there some relation to the Charudes (cf. Hard Syssel, West
> > Jutland), mentioned in the Monumentum Ancyranum as geographically
> > close to the Cimbri (but Ariovist was relocating them in Gaul)?
>
> The name of the Harudes (Charudes) is usually regarded as connected

with OHG

> hard ~ hart, OSax. hard, OE *harad ~ *haraþ (extracted from

toponyms)

> 'forest, woodland' (originally perhaps a mountain forest), possibly

derived

> from *k^os-, one of the PIE terms for 'pine' (cf. Slavic sosna). The
> Germanic protoform was perhaps a dental stem (EIEC *k^os-dHh1-o-

doesn't

> appear plausible), but a detailed analysis is difficult because of

the

> paucity of the comparative data.
>

There must have been a lot of erosion going on West Jutland in the
last 2000 years, since the days of mountain forests. Pines went down
the mountain brooks too, I'm afraid.

Apart from the Harz mountains, what are those toponyms?


Torsten