Re: [tied] Timing of ablaut

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 26131
Date: 2003-09-29

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:21:18 +0200 (MET DST), Jens Elmegaard Rasmussen
<jer@...> wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Miguel Carrasquer wrote:
>
>> The point I failed to make clearly was that ste^na/stains would be a
>> thematized r/n-stem, and since the r/n-stem in question is *sta:yr. (the
>> usual prototype of Greek stéa:r), the thematized version should be
>> *sta:inos/*sta:ina:.  I don't think <íes^kau> is quite parallel in
>> structure (but I'm not sure what the underlying structure of
>íes^kau
>is).
>> In terms of the place of the laryngeal, *staHinos would be more
>> analogous,
>> I think, to the a:-stem dat/loc *-ah2(a)i, which has circumflex in B-S.
>
>A preform *staHinos would change into *stayHnos in (i.e., before) PIE
>already.

I suppose we disagree on that.

>Lith. íes^kau 'I seek' sure *is* parallel: the root is posited
>by Pokorny as *ais-, the sk^-prs. seen in Skt. icchati is regularly
>combined with an s-aorist, so lengthened grade is expected, the result
>being *H2e:ys- which neatly explains the Baltic acute.

So not parallel at all: *h2e:i dos not equal *ah2i (or *aih2).

>> I'm satisfied with *h3ep- for the moment.  It's only a single example,
>> and
>> it _may_ perhaps be *h3epH- (but surely needn't be), so more evidence
>> would
>> certainly be welcome.
>
>You are ducking the issue: You *need* the root to be anit for the example
>to be interesting in this context. Then will you not make sure your
>evidence meets the only requirement of interest?

Skt. ápnas- "Ertrag, Habe, Besitz" shows no indication of a laryngeal.

Interesting are some forms with *o: (Skt. á:pas- "work, religious act",
?Osc. uupsens "fecerunt", OHG uobo "Landbauer"), which perhaps belong with
*o:k^us as reflexes of *h3o-.

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
mcv@...