Re: Glue, resin [was: Ducks and Souls]

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> 23-09-03 01:39, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> > Prefixed and extended in verbal suffix -yo *n-gWet-yo this root
> > derives in Albanian verb <ngjes> 'to glue, to affix', noun
> > <ngjitës> 'glue, resin', probably through diphthongation of /e/

and

> > treating this labiovelar as pure velar. Taking into account also

verb

> > <ngjesh> 'to press, to compress', derived from *n-g^hes-yo, I

think

> > that we may found the rule that palatals and labiovelars,

preceding

> > by nasals, are treated in Albanian as pure velars.
>
> *n-gWet- etc. are incorrect reconstructions, since the preverb is
> Albanian, not PIE. I see no etymological support for your proposed
> post-nasal dorsal merger in medial environments; word-initially it
> simply fails to make any sense, since the Albanian prefix-root

sandhi is

> younger than the peculiar developments of the different dorsal

series in

> pre-Albanian. As for combinations with the prefix <n->, *g^(H)-

actually

> ends up as <nd-> and *gW(H)- palatalised before a front vowel gives
> <nx->, as far as I can see. I don't know the origin of the <ngjit->
> family of vords, but your suggestion is unlikely: <-gjit-> could

derive

> from a variety of hypothetical sequences, e.g. from something like
> *-sit- (any ideas, anybody?), but certainly not from *-gWet-.
>
> Piotr

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You mean that preverb *n(dë)- is Albanian, even if you accept once
that *mbë-/mbi- is reduced form of *ambhi-, which is probably derived
from *ant-bhi 'from both sides' (see Watkins, ambhi-/m.bhi-).
So to not makes things worse we have *(a)nt- > nd- > n- *gWet-yo >
ngjes 'to glue'. <ngjit> is seconday form (cf. shes 'to sell', aor.
shita, pres 'to wait', aor. shita, even vdes, aor. vdiqa).

Konushevci