Re: [tied] Terminology (Re: Piotr-)

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 25443
Date: 2003-08-31

31-08-03 00:50, alex wrote:

> Since it seems you are pointing allways to that ominos "Esbenos" and you
> are convinced about the fact this name meant horse, be my way, belive
> it.

I'm not talking about an isolated name but about a whole set of pesonal
names containing the element <esb->.

> I guess it ought I give a hand of help here and show some thoughts
> of Deçev with examples regarding the *k^and *g^(H) and *g^ and their
> development in Thracian. I will quote from the book of him of the year
> 1960 "Charakteristik der Thrakischen Sprache", Cap. IV
>
> Examples for the PIE palatals in Thrakish:
>
> -suros, -zuras, -suras, -soras < PIE k'eu-
> Zake, -zakos, -sakos < PIE k'aq-
> Asamus, Samos < PIE ak'-
> Arzos, Arsus < PIE arg'-
> -zenes, zenus, -senus < PIE g'en-
> Buzas, gen. Buzantos < PIE bhug'o-
> -zalas, -sala, < PIE g'hel-
> Zera, Zara, Zaera, -seres < PIE g'(h)eri-
> dersu, Derzalas, Darzalas < PIE dhereg'h
> thine-, thia, thie < PIE k'ei-
> Thinta < PIE k'ent-
> Thrambos < PIE k'rapo-
> denthes, dentes, dentu < PIE g'ento, g'en-ti-
> Dor, Duro, Doura,Diur- < PIE g'her-
>
> etc, etc, etc
>
> For each example one ask himself why a comparation with
> Avestano/Sanskrit and not a comparation with Celto-Italic.
> Why for "soura-" comparinc Avestan "sura" and not Rom. "surã" or even
> with "soare"
> Why for Asamus is forgoten the toponym Akmonia, Why for Buzas is the
> avestan "buza" but not Rom. "buza"?
> Why Zara is not compared with "zarã" or wit "sarã"? Why "thinta" not
> with "Tinta"? why "denthes" not with "dinte"? Why "Dor" not with "dor"?
> Why "dersu" not with "dârzu"?, why "thine" not with "Tine", "thie" with
> "Tie" ? etc, etc, etc
>
> Conclusion: just on the basis of the phonetical simmilarities and on the
> assumption a language belongs to a certain group one can make almost
> everything of the glosses.

Dechev is too inconsistent. He accepts both <den-> and <zen-> as
reflexes of *g^enh1-, and generally <d>/<z> for *g^(H) and <tH>/<s> for
*k^, and shows no caution whatsoever when comparing Thracian names with
some hopelessly *k^rappy roots. I'd reject most of the above material
together with the proposed derivation of Thracian /d/ and /tH/ from PIE
satemised velars.