Re: [tied] Re: Laryngeal theory as an unnatural

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:36:28 -0400, Jim Rader <jrader@...>
wrote:

>> >a cununa = to wed
>> >cununã = crown
>> >cununie= the crowns used for religious wedding, the religios wedding
>>
>> cf. Russ. venec "crown, marriage", venchat' "to crown", venchat'sja
>> "to get married", venchanie "coronation, marriage". A calque from
>> Slavic.
>>
>
>No multivolume Russian dictionary at hand, but I don't recall Russian
><venec> in this sense.

In metaphorical sense: pojti pod venec s ... "to marry with s.o.", vesti
pod venec "take s.o. to the altar", posle venca "after the wedding".

>And the verb <venchat'sja> along with its
>derivative <venchanie> only refer to the actual Orthodox church
>ceremony, a key of part of which is the placing of crowns on the heads
>of the couple. These aren't the ordinary words for "to get married" or
>"marriage" in Russian, to be sure. Same is true, I believe for
>Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian <v(j)enc^ati>, <v(j)enc^anje>. If Romanian
>calqued these originally liturgical words from Slavic, hardly surprising.

Where I said "marriage", it would have been clearer to have said "wedding"
(i.e. "marriage ceremony"), which in Russian is <svad'ba>,
<brakosochetanie> or <venchanie> (the latter "church wedding"). The usual
word for "marriage" (i.e. the state of being married) is <brak> (besides
<supruzhestvo> and her <zamuzhestvo>, his <zhenit'ba>).

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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