Re: [tied] Proto-Indo-European WITCH

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 25129
Date: 2003-08-16

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:05:24 +0200, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

>16-08-03 17:05, lifeiscool86 wrote:
>
>> Proto-Indo-European WITCH
>>
>> Is there an IE etymology for the word"witch", or possibly a cultural
>> approach to this said being. [Note: remove the negative medieval
>> attachments]. Some people say, it comes from the Anglo-Saxon
>> word "wica" (PIE *weik?/*weid?) which means "wise" and refers to the
>> wise ones of the community. But, personally I doubt this
>> (although "witan" would be plausible). I don't really know what the
>> PIE word means -- probably "to see" or "to know" -- something which
>> denotes wisdom or knowledge; but I believe the Anglo-Saxon word
>> for "wise" is "wys" or "wit" right? So, what is this word "wica"
>> supposed to mean? Some say, it means "to bend" suggesting a magician
>> of some sort; and for some, a sort of plant.
>
><wise> and <wit> are related, and both cone from PIE *weid- 'see, know'.
>The word <witch> cannot be related to them; OE f. wicce and m. wicca
>look as if they derived from Gmc. *wik-j-o:n- (cf. also the OE verb
>wiccian 'practice witchcraft, bewitch' < *wik-j-o:jan- and the adjective
><wicked>). The *wik-j- part can go back to Pre-Gmc. *wig-j(o)- or
>*weg-j(o)-; in the latter case we get the attractive possibility that
>it's derived from PIE *h2weg^- 'be strong/lively' (magic and strength
>often go together in etymologies).

However, there are alternative possibilities. Problem is that OE -cc- can
go back, I think, to any of PIE *k (Verner), *g and *gh before *j, and -i-
to either *(e)i or *i.

The following roots in Pokorny may or may not be relevant:

*aweg^/*aug^-/*weg^- "be fresh, strong" *wog^-ro-s "strong" (gives e.g.
wake)

*weg^h- "to move". This is where my Dutch etym. dictionary places wichelen
"practivce sorcery" (Du. wegen "weigh", wikken "weigh repeatedly", wiggen
"move", wiggelen "waggle", wichelen "practice sorcery", MLG wicken,
wichelen "practice sorcery", OE wi:glian "practice sorcery", wigle
"sorcery")

1. *weik- "to set apart" (Goth. weihs "holy", weihan "consacrate", OE
we:oh, wi:g "pagan idol", German Weih-nachten, weihen "consacrate") This is
where IEW puts wicca, wicce. [IEW: Beziehung zu 4. weik-, weigh- "biegen"
usw. ist nicht ausgeschlossen]

2. *weik- "energische, bes. feindselige Kraftäusserung"; *woika:
"Lebenskraft" (Goth. weihan "to fight, wage war", Latin vincere)

4. *weik-, *weig- (extended from *wei- "to bend"): Germanic words for
willow etc. < *weik-, Germanic weak, wicker from *weig-)


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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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