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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, carys morgan <carysmorgan2000@...>
wrote:
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> I have just joined your group. This message was posted on another
site. I'm sure this is not wholly correct.
>
> Gaels and Welsh Celts formed the Aryan race.
'Aryan' as a term for Indo-European is very old-fashioned and is now
viewed as indicating Nazi tendencies. The term is now reserved for
those who designated themselves by the term, namely the speakers of
Indo-Iranian languages.
> In this coming together, many languages mixed to be known as Indo-
European.
Not generally accepted. The Indo-European languages are generally
believed to be descended from a single language.
> This primeval speech evolved from the original inhabitants of
Hyperborea, a kingdom that sank, like Atlantis, thousands of years
ago.
Balderdash!
> They spoke a language similar to High Elvish.
I assume this refers to the High Elvish of Middle Earth. Sindarin,
the workaday Elvish tongue, clearly shows strong Welsh influence.
(_Yrch_, being the plural of a word meaning 'orc', is the most
obvious single example.) J. R. R. Tolkien liked the sound of Welsh,
and was a member of a department that required its students to
become acquainted with Welsh.
He also liked the sound of Finnish, and to some extent modelled High
Elvish (Quenya or Qenya) on it. If you read the Silmarillion,
you'll see that the sound correspondences between the two Elvish
languages have many resemblances to the correspondences between
Gaelic and Welsh. Much of their vocabulary seems to have started as
Celtic, and then had its origins in the constructed history
changed. For example, Sindarin _dunadan_ 'man of the West' (an
attribute of Aragorn) seems to derive the first element, _dun_, from
the Gaelic for 'man'. By the time Tolkien died, the second element,
_adan_, meant 'man'. The plural, _dunedain_, feels very Welsh.
> With time, this language spread to Europe and Asia.
No-one with any credibility proposes the British Isles as the
orignal home of Indo-European.
> Latin, Greek, Slavic, Teutonic and Celtic languages are Aryan, as
well as Persian and other Asiatic dialects,
In the sense Aryan = 'Indo-European', true.
> derived from the ancient "Zend" and Indian languages, originating
in Sanskrit.
Avestan (the language of the Zend Avesta) is an East Iranian
language. Persian does not derive from it, but is a sister
language. There is a suspicion that not all Indic languages derive
from Sanskrit dialects. (In a sense that is not surprising; e.g.
Old English generally means West Saxon, but modern English does not
derive from West Saxon.)
Richard.