Fwd: PIE for wash (was: Re: [@ustronesian network] Re: water buffa

This was meant for Cybalist!
Richard.
--- In austronesian@yahoogroups.com,
"Richard Wordingham" <richard@...>
wrote:
Some
Nostratic-Austronesian-Sino-Tibetan
correspondences have been mentioned
on Austroneisan and Cybalist. The
Nostratic-Sino-Tibetan connections
were
proposed by Shevoroshkin. One of
them cites PIE forms which I am not
confident I can identify, viz:
PAN *basuq "wash" cf PIE *m-sk-,
*w-sk "wash" Old Chinese s(r)u?,
Lushai
shuk, Luoba cuk [the 'c' is the
alveolo-palatal fricative].
What are the proposed PIE cognates?
For *m-sk all I can think of Latin
muscus and a smattering (Dutch and
dialect words in Scandinavian
languages)
of Germanic forms. These are
analysed by Pokorny as a k-extension
of an
s-extension of root 1309 *meu 'wet;
dirt; to wash'. For *w-sk all I can
think of is Proto-Germanic *waskan
'wash', which Onions derives within
Germanic as a simplification of
*watskan formed on *wat- 'water',
presumably
with the inchoative -sk- suffix.
Richard.

----- Original Message -----
From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
To: <austronesian@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:21
AM
Subject: [@ustronesian network] Re:
water buffalo 2
> > 3) The
(Sino-Tibetan)-Austronesian (STAN)
genetic link is real.
> Do any of
> > them occur in Laurent Sagart's
paper for the Canberra conference?
> (The
> > paper's attached to Message 431,
dated 12 December 2002 )
> Surprisingly few, considering the
number of correspondences I found
> with Nostratic/SinoCaucasian.
>
> Quoted from the Sagart's paper:
>
> Some PAN and PECL correspondences
> (q)uRung (we've been there!)
> kuka "chicken" cf. English
chicken, cock (but might be
onomatopeia)
> kawaS "speak, say" cf kavi
"sorcerer" in some Anatolian
language (by
> memory!)
>
> Sino-Tibetan-Austronesian Lexiacal
Comparisons
> 12 (q)uRung etc etc
> 17 -taq "earth" cf PIE dhgh^om
"earth"
> 10 SiRaH1 "salt"
> 34 kep "grasp"
> 37 dilaq "lick"
> 46 kawaS "speak" see above
> 49 basuq "wash" cf PIE *m-sk-,
*w-sk "wash"
>
> cultural vocabulary
> 1 beRas "husked rice" see
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tg
pedersen/Opr.html
> for names of grains
> 3 kuka "chicken" see above
> 4 kurung again!
>
> BTW, it seems the
transitive-causative s- is
widespread outside of
> AN; it would be no surprise to
find it in AfroAsiatic and
> IndoEuropean.
>
> The Nostratic/SinoCaucasian
matches with Manansala's list are
found
> in the files (roots):
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/tn1.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/HkW.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/An.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/Hs.html
> (the root should be divided into
Hs and Hp, but some of the
> Austronesian words in Manansala's
list have -h-, and I don't yet know
> whether that's p > h or s > h
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/gn.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/Opr.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/wd.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/tp.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/sr.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/ken.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/tm.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/sw.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/tk.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/kr.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpe
dersen/krn.html
>
> in all 36 N-SC correspondences in
15 roots.
>
> Torsten
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