Re: [tied] Re: egnis/ognis

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From: "Abdullah Konushevci" <a_konushevci@...>
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Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 10:38 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: egnis/ognis


The same thing about the fire: there was two terms meaning 'fire' in
Indo-European:

*pur- (inanimate fire):
Hittite pahhur (fire)
Oscan purasiai (fire in a home fireplace)
Tocharian tsamoy pwarsa (let it grow with the help of fire)

*ogni- (living fire, fire-god):
Slavic *ogni (fire)
Latin ignis (fire)
Sanskrit Agni (god of fire)
Hittite Agniš
Lithuanian šventoji ugnis (sacred fire)
(From Cyril Babaev, Proto-Indo-European Language and Religion)

I think that the problem of Romanian <amn-ar>, except phonological
development, is: did has theonim conotation this word and did
existits its counterpart *pur- (inanimate fire), as exists in other
Indo-European languages (cf. also Alb. <e enjte ditë> 'Thursday', a
translation of Latin <Iovi dies> and <prush> 'live (hot) coal;
braze, ember')

Konushevci
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There is a notion which seems to make sense just showing the very
strong place of the fire, the heart of the fire. There is the expresion
"para focului" kind of "the very fire", the most light of the fire.
Usualy this "parã" is given from Slavic "para". In the same manner the
word "pârg"( about fruits : to ripen) is given as comming from Slavic
"prUga". one mor should be "pârjol" (fire) and "pârjoli"( to burn down)
given by DEX as coming from Hungarian "pörzsölui". There is too a kind
of food called "pârjoalã! and this is given from Turkish "pirzola" or
Bulgarian "parZola".
It remains to see if one of them is a inherited one and not a loan.
About more conections regarding "pur-" ( fire) I cannot think about
since pur= latin, purpura= latin, purpuriu ( reddish)= derivation from
"purpura".

Alex
Alex