[tied] Re: Enclosed Places

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> g wrote:
> >> The Romanian does not allow "sg" but "zg" ( as I ponted in

another

> >> message)
> >
> > This is not as dead-sure as you might think. Remember that
> > up to April 1st, 1954, the Romanian official spelling was
> > always with "s-" (and "des-") - even for the cases where
> > the pronunciation was "z-" (and "dez-"). Cf. the latest
> > "Indreptarul ortografic si ortoepic" by Sextil PuScariu and
> > Teodor Naum, 1932ff. (And we should cf. older orthogr. habits,
> > 19th c. and previous centuries.)
>
> George, I try to be very quiet:-) I f... up the official spelling
> established by I don't know what for inteligent or bad heads. I

just

> compare the way to speak and nothing more.This "sg"= phonetical
> interdiction is is dead sure:-)
>
> allowed= "sc" but not "sg"
> allowed= "zg" but not "zc"
>
> >
> > (So, prior to April 1954, the official Romanian spelling was
> > e.g. "sburãtorul, sgardã, sgârieturã, smeul smeilor, svârlugã".)
>
> The oficial spelling has trouble of Latin "*exC" becoming an "zC".
> >
> >> The Schönheitsfehler would be the Alb. "k".
> >
> > Why? [g] is only a "stimmhaftes k," [k] is a mere "stimmloses g."
> > So, it was possible that "once upon a time" the initial Romanian
> > <zgarda> was <skarda>.
> >
> >> Alex
> >
> > George
>
> No, no, let us be sachlich. There is a nice refugees to say " is a
> stimmhaftes k". I don't accept it as so. There is a rulle, and I

guess

> Albanian has too the phonetical restriction as Rom has. If in Alb.

the

> phonetical restriction is "shg" then there _must_ be

allowed "shk". And

> if I am not wrong, then there is a very solide explanation for the
> evolution of the word in both languages. I can search for myself

for

> this in Alb. but I thought Abdullah has the words in his head,

though is

> more simple for him to say " yes, shk= allowed and "shg"= not

allowed",

> at leas in the initial position.
>
> Alex

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Yes, in the beginnig of the words, at most, all voiced occlusives
before intensive prefix sh- becames unvoiced (cf. <shkardhë> 'fence-
gate', but <zgardhoj> 'to de-fence, to come lose (of barrel staves)'

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