Re: [tied] Enclosed Places (was: The unexplained link between Greek

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:

> 12-07-03 22:15, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
>> PIE root *g^hordh- derives in Albanian <gardh> 'hedge, fence',
>> through regular changes /*o/ > /a/ and /-rd-/ > /-rdh-/. This word
>> is preserved in place name Zgërdhesh < s- + gardh + -esh, one of
>> oldest toponym.
>
> Some of the oldest -- in what sense?
>
>> So, in most ancient words, that couldn't be a loans, exept for non-
>> scientific reasons, as you see, the rule that palatals derives in
>> Albanian always interdentals, is not true.
>
> Whay can't it be a loan? What's unscientific about such a possibility?
> Anyway, Slavic has *gordU as well, which to my mind suggests that
> either Slavic and Albanian borrowed the word separatly from a similar
> non-Satem source (Germanic?) or Albanian (and Romanian) borrowed it
> from early (pre-metathesis) Slavic, which took it from Germanic.
>
> Piotr

I guess here for this word is not important the metathesis in Slavic.
Here is something else important Piotr. The /a/>/o/ in Slavic.Neither
Albanian nor Romanian has the /o/ there but simply /a/. If this should
be a Slavic loan, then you have to sustain the change /a/>/o/ in Slavic
is a very recent thing, meaning somewhere in the X century. Is this
change /a/>/o/ so late or is this soundshift somehow early to be dated?

Alex