[tied] Re: about the wrong roots

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> 08-07-03 00:11, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
>
> >> (Lat. phero) and borë < be:ra: 'snow' (quantitative apophony),
> >> besides qualitative one: pjek < *pekW-, but aor. poqa 'I have
> >> baked', etc.
> > I forget to mention: *perd > Alb. pjerdh 'to fart', but *pe:rd-

+a:

> >> pordhë 'fart' (cf. Gr. perdix 'partridge').
> >> Konushevci
>
> The lengthened grade appears in rather well-defined morphological
> environments (the aorist, deverbal feminine nouns). <sos> belongs

in no

> such category. In <poqa> you have a long vowel (expected in this

case),

> but also an initial /p/ (not */s/).
>
> Look, Abdullah. You're flogging a very dead horse. <pesë> and
> <pjek>/<poqa> (words that are etymologically as secure as one

could

> wish) ought to convince any linguist in his right mind that
> Proto-Albanian had no Latin-type labiovelar assimilation. Why,

then, do

> you ignore the evidence and insist that the assimilation can be

found in

> Albanian? Because you believe in the following:
>
> (1) the assimilation operated in Illyrian;
>
> (2) Illyrian is ancestral to Albanian.
>
> Therefore, you are desperate to find an example of the

assimilation in

> Albanian to reconcile (1) with (2). What makes you so desperate?

The

> fact that you treat (2) as if it were an axiom, not a hypothesis

that

> may be tested and rejected if it doesn't work. It _must_ be true.
>
> Alas, Albanian offers no unquestionable examples of the

assimilation

> (while providing unquestionable _counter_examples), so you fly in

the

> face of reality and manufacture your own "special" evidence to

make your

> point. This, however, only demonstrates that wishful thinking

blinds its

> victim. You may deceive yourself if you so wish, but the intensity

of

> your conviction won't make it better founded in other people's

eyes. Nor

> will it turn your fantasy into reality.
>
> Whether (1) is true depends on what we make of Illyrian proper

names.

> However, even if it _were_ true, it would only mean that the

Illyrian

> treatment of the labiovelars was Italic-(or Celtic-)like, and not
> Albanian-like. In other words, it would militate against (2).
>
> I rest my case.
>
> Piotr

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I rest my too with remark that in <qarr> 'oak' we have to deal with
irregular plural, sing. <qerr>, preserved in place name Qerret (cf.
rreth 'circle', pl. rrath 'circles'; thes 'sack', pl. 'thas'), so
derivation from *kWerkW- > *kjerr > qerr is more then simple: *e>je
and assimilation of -rkW > -rr.

Konushevci