Re: [tied] Elbow, forearm

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> 23-06-03 01:58, Richard Wordingham wrote:
>
> > I gather that 'ablaut now holds few
> > secrets'. How do the various words
> > for elbow, forearm, e.g. English
> > 'ell', Latin 'ulna', Greek
> > 'o:lene:', 'o:le:r' and 'o:llon' all
> > relate?

> I doubt
> very much if it makes sense to assign Indo-Iranian *aratn- (no
> Brugmannian length in the fist syllable, which means *e rather than

*o)

> to the same etymon, pace Pokorny.

Thank you for the details of the VlVn and VlVk forms. I must say the
Indo-Iranian makes me think of *h2ar- 'fit' (is there another
laryngeal here, e.g. *h2arh1?) as in Greek arthron 'joint'. Does
Brugmann's law apply to *o < *h3e? Miguel's derivation (roughly late
*h1oh3len- & ablaut variations) also rules out the Indo-Iranian forms.

Richard.