Re: [tied] Duridanov's work ( it was Thracian , summing up)

From: alex
Message: 23693
Date: 2003-06-21

Lisa Darie wrote:

> I found in Duridanov's study few valuable sources of informaton,as
> the Ezero inscription, the people-names and part of the place-names,
> but in his reconstructed words based on Baltic languages there are
> none of the words from the Ezero inscription or those that survived
> in the Bulgarian toponymy and anthroponomy. His study is based on
> hypothetical words that were established based on a language of a
> different IE family and a preconceived idea. In this situation of
> course there is a lexical correspondence. Even more they appear to be
> genetically related for which we don't have any certain evidence.
>
> Lisa
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My opinion is that Duridanow used just the phonological similitudess but
not too much more. A list of simmilarities common to Baltic and Thracian
as per Duridanow view:

Dacian / Baltic

ON - Batkounion lit. Batkunai
- Dingion alt.pr. Dinge (Wald)
- Kabule alt.pr. FN kabula
- Kubsela lit. ON kupselai, subst. kupselis
- Markellai lit. SeeN. Markelis
- Purdae alt.pr. SeeN. Purde
- Rumbodona alt.pr. Rumbow (Furt), lett. rumba
- Sartes lit. FIN Sarte
- Silta lit. FIN Sil t-upis
- Scretisca lith. ON Skretiske
StN - Trausoi lett. trauss, truasls, lit. trausus
PN - Bruzos lit. PN Bruzas
- Kartouza let. ON Kartuzi
- Kerses alt.pr. PN Kerse, lit. kersas
- Putras alett. PN Putre
- Sautes allett FN Sautte
- Skilas lit. PN Skyle
- Sparke alt.pr. PN Sparke


Dacian / Baltic


ON - Balanson alt.pr. ON Bolausen
- Brucla lett. FlurN Brukle
- Galtis lit. ON Galtai, alt.pr. Galten-garb (Berg)
- Genoukla lett. Dzenuklis (Sumpf)
- Drasdea alt.pr. Drasda
- Ciniscus zem. ON KiniSkia
- Clevora lit. FIN Kleva, ON Klevai
- Malva lett FIN Malvis, FlurN. Mal vju-plava
- Papirios lit. ON Paspiriai
- Residina alt.pr. Resedynen
- Stendai lett. FIN Stende
StN - Getenoi lit ON Getenai (Urspr. Ethnikon)
- Scaugdae alt.pr. Skawdegede = lit. Skaudgedas
PN - Burtinus alt.pr. PN Burtin(us)
- Gerula alt.pr. Gerulis
- Degis lit. PN Jau-degis
- Mamutzis alett. PN Mamwtze
- Putina alett. PN Puttin
- Sausa alt.pr.PN Sause
- Skabes alt.pr. FN Skabe
- Sirmos lit. ON Surmai
- Tauto-medes alt.pr. PN Thawthe, Mede, Medis


Legend:
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FN= Familienname ; FIN= Flußname ; FlurN= Flurname; ON= Ortsname; PN=
Personenname; StN= Stammesname.
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A little commentar:

- I don't make any comment of PN, ON, FlurN, FIN. I just want to point
out that from the StN which are known indeed to be 100% dacians,
Duridanov find just the ethnicon "Getenoi" , the Greek one in the Baltic
"Getenai".
For the trully Dacian name of the tribes it Seems Duridanov could not
find any relation in the Baltic space.
(Some Dacian tribes: Albocenses,Apulenses, Tricornenses, Picenses,
Potulatenses, Predavenses, Saldenses, Buridenses, Buridavenses,
Ratacenses, Caucoenses, Cotenses, Greucenses, Iesenses, Senses,
Piphiges, Carpi, Cotosoboces, etc.)I mention I showed here just these
names NOrth of Danube and not the names of these who have been South of
Danube as Moesy, Bessi, etc. (There are over 150 names known as thracian
tribes)

The similarity in the name of these tribes with these of italo-ibero
space is more as evidentely for everyone who is accomodated with them.

So much about Duridanov's relationships.

Alex