Re: [tied] some terms for George ( it was Re: Historical ...)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Darie <elixir032000@...>
wrote:
> Hram is the annual celebration of the patron saint of an orthodox
church as St George on April 23 or St. Mary on August 15. The name
hram might derives from heram, an ancient festival and a banquet
celebrated in Samos in honour of the goddess Hera. The Thracians
used to offer to their gods and ancestors huge lavish public feasts.
The word zestre, meaning dowry is one of the 165 Romanian common
words currently accepted as Thracian.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> 
> alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> Lisa Darie wrote:
> > What is the origin of the words hram, dumineca, zestre?
>
> I give the accepted etymologies:
>
> hram= slavic hramU
> zestre= from Latin "dextrae"= solemn promise
> dumineca = latin. domenica (this one was discussed)
>
> alex
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    "165 common Romanian words are currently accepted as Thracian."
Accepted by whom? And published where?
    If this has been posted on Cybalist before, I apologize for
missing it, but would still like to know.
Dan

Dan:

In his book In Search of the Indo-Europeans J.P. Mallory mentions that the Thracians "left no modern descendants of their language.... From the most reliable etymologies, a number that would not exceed 50 and their grammatical endings, we can safely maintain that the Thracians spoke an IE language and say something of its phonetic structure. The Dacian language, in present-day Romania, offers slightly less evidence, with some 25 words that can be given respectable IE etymologies'. Recently, various history books and articles mention that some linguists (without to give any name or book title)identified in Romanian vocabulary only 165 common words that are not Latin-related and are of Thracian origin, such as buza 'lip' and zestre 'dowry'. The problem is that I need myself to find out what are the words, who are the linguists and based on which studies they reached this conclusion.

Cheers,

Lisa