[tied] some terms for George ( it was Re: Historical ...)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

>
>
> *****GK: I'm not clear on all aspects of this, but it
> would seem that in the 4th century there were three
> words which could be used to refer to a church
> building: "kyrikion" {"belonging to the Lord"};
> "basilica" (Marius indicated this kicked off ca. 313
> AD); "ecclesia" (which Marius dates as of the Council
> of Nicaea). I've not been able to find anything solid
> as to the use of "kyrikion". On-line sources mostly
> repeat each other on this, but with no actual
> references, some date it to the 3rd century (The
> Catholic Encyclopaedia), others to ca. 300 (I did
> notice a use by Cyril of Jerusalem but that was ca.
> 360 AD). Since there was no Biblical context requiring
> the use of "church" in the sense of building, we don't
> find "kyrikion" in Wulfila's Gothic translation: just
> "aikklesjon" for the other sense (congregation). It's
> still not clear to me when "ecclesia" became the
> totally preponderant term for "ch. building": sometime
> in the 5th c. I expect.******
> >

So, in other words, it would have been possible for the Goths to
use 'ecclesia' for "congregation" and 'kyrikion' for "church
building", which they then passed to the West Germani who then
extended 'kyrikion' to cover "congregation" and forgot 'ecclesia'. I
gotta hand it to you: that's ingenious!

Torsten