From: george knysh
Message: 23015
Date: 2003-06-10
>__________________________________
> > I for one don't speak either Turkish, or Farsi,
> but the
> > hierarchy titles once Mr Karloukovski posted apud
> Mr Dobrev
> > in the Usenet sound rather Turkic to me
> (kanasubigi,
> kanartikin,
> > itchirgu etc.)
>
> I have no idea where I read that Pamiric languages
> also have
> many Turkic words because of their co-existence with
> Turkic
> peoples. It will be important to look which pattern
> (that of purely
> Turkic or more like Pamiric) applies better for
> Protobulgarian. I
> hope you are differentiating Old Bulgarian (OCS)
> from the
> language of protobulgarians. Btw, there, where all
> the rubbish
> lies, you will find the actual inscriptions as
> deciphered by
> Beshevliev. A full list is available in
>
> "P�arvob�algarski nadpisi"
> Veselin Beshevliev, Sofija : Izd. na B�alg. Akad. na
> Naukite, 1979
>
> > But I'd expect genuine specialists to make their
> conclusions
> > on comparing those words with, say, Kurdish,
> Ossetian, Tadjik
> > and Farsi vocabularies (and ancient versions
> thereof)...
>
> I think Dobrev did exactly such comparisons, albeit
> combined
> with "rubbish" about Shumerian, etc. He corrected
> himself any
> times on his writings.
>
> >
> > In the "bagatur bagain" title, isn't "bagatur"
> rather a Turkic-
> > Mongolian (and Hungarian) term? bahadur or bator
> ("brave").
>
> The question is, what "rather" means scientifically.
> One will have
> to take all the words and see what looks most
> plausible. If the
> parallels provided by Cluster User are all we can
> think of in
> Turkic (I assume there may be more), I would say the
> option
> Turkic languages does not sound very convincing.
>
> Bulgarians
> > include whole lotta Slavs as well as... Bulgarized
> Romanians
> > (former Romanian speakers in the North and former
> Aromanian
> > speakers in the South).
>
> I have addressed this. I would add, still the
> Protobulgarians had
> a culture of governance which allowed them to unite
> all those
> peoples and survive as a nation for more than 13
> centuries in
> the Balkans. I am naturally interested in this
> culture. I want to
> know more about it.
>
> >
> > BTW 1: Didn't gargara enter the language rather
> from Greek?
>
> There is such a word in Greek?
>
> >
> > BTW 2: I am skeptical of the assertion that the
> former commie
> > regime was fond of the filo-Turkic theory
> pertaining to the
> > "buiela butaul" texts -- at least in the 1980s,
> when the regime in
> > Sofia was so anti-Turkish. So much so that they
> prompted an
> > exodus of Bulgarian Turks to Turkey. (I remember,
> then there
> > was much mass-media fuss about those events.)
>
> Yes, the Commies can be proud of doing many stupid
> things
> that could not be called very Bulgarian in the sense
> which I am
> applying to the word. But read my previous messages
> on the
> history of it. I would gladly translate more and
> send it in a
> personal email to you or anyone else interested.
>
> Eva
>
>
>
>