Re: [tied] Tiber

Just for the discussion, I add here what I wrote about the Tiber's name in my toponymy page:

Name: Tiberis fl. (Ptol., Plin., Mel., Liv., etc.) Thybris fl. (Plin., Verg.) Albula fl. (Liv., Plin.) Etymology: The classical name Tiberis has counterparts in Tifernus fl. and Tifernum (Umbria), having been explained from the IE root *tibh- 'to melt', which is very productive for hydronyms. Related to the name, outside of Italy, are also Tibesis fl. (Dacia), Tibina fl. (Sarmatia).
The variant Thybris, found also in Greek sources, could have been the original "Pelasgian" spelling, since in this language there is evidence of a shift from the voiceless stops to voiceless aspirated stops, with the aspiration usually not marked in Latin. The feature *bh>b is also compatible with the "Pelasgian" language. The "Pelasgian" can be responsible of various place-names of the neighboring Southern Etruria.
The oldest name Albula has to be the original Western Italic name, before the arrival of the "Pelasgians". It derives from the IE root *albho- 'white', also a productive root for river names. An exact counterpart is found in Albula fl. (Picenum)

Regards,
Antonio



At 22:56 03.06.2003 +0200, you wrote:

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "alex" <alxmoeller@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:59 PM
> Subject: [tied] Tiber
>
>
>> Is there just a coincidence for the name of Tibrus in Italia and the
>> name of Tigris in Mesopothamien or this should be seen as having a
>> deeper connection ?
>
> Just a coincidence. Incidentally, the Latin name of the Tiber was
> Tiberis (gen. Tiberis)
>
> Piotr


Tiberis, Tiberis ( compare Ov. Thybris)"Tiber", ; from this "Tiberinus",
Tifernus( mountain, river, city in Umbrien/Samnium; etruskian Teprie.
It seems there is no explanation for what is means even if there are
some thoughts to corelate it with Latin "ta:be:s", Greek "tiphos".

alex


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