Re: [tied] Piotr..your thoughts on....?

--- alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> > GK: Ammianus Marcellinus further tells us
> that
> > the Carpi were settled in Pannonia by Diocletian
> > (28.1.5: Carporum, quos antiquis excitos sedibus
> > Diocletianus transtulit in Pannoniam). This event
> is
> > dated 295 AD. The later fate of these Carpi is not
> > recorded. Pannonia was subjected to much
> "barbarian"
> > depredation in the later 4th and in the 5th
> centuries.
> > An Ossetian-like scenario (a "head for the hills"
> > superimposition of "Dacian" colonists upon
> Illyrian
> > locals) is entirely possible if speculative.
>
>
> Amianus Marcelinus speaks about a part of the carps
> who settled in
> Panonia. Later there are mentioned the Carpo-dacians
> ( was this a
> specialy denomination for making the difference
> between the Carps of
> Panonia and the Carps of getic therithories?).

*****GK: I'm actually not at all certain that the
"Carpodacians" of Zosimos/Eunapius were either Carpi
or Dacians. The term might have been used with respect
to some minor Germanic group, like the Taifali for
instance. As for "Getic" territory, it is clear enough
that by the 5th/6th c. the term "Getic" designated
Goths or early Slavs.******
I

> don't remember now who
> wrote about the blazon of Atilla who called himself
> u.o. and "dux
> dacorum".

*****GK: I've not heard of this. In any case, these
"Daci" would hardly have been the historical Dacians,
just as Zosimos' "Scythians" were no Scythians.******


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