Re: [tied] Illyrian as satem

It's much ado about nothing. A diphthong like /ai/ may easily be realised as
[aI] or [ae] if the glide is realised abit carelessly and the diphthongal
movement fails to reach its target point, [raet]? The closest thing to [ae]
in Proto-Germanic was *ai, which is white <caesar> [kaesar] was borrowed as
*kaisar-; if there was any subtle difference between the two sounds, it
simply didn't matter. <haedus>, however, is not the source of Germanic
*gait-; it's related to it via ancestral *gHaid-, which underlies both
words.

Piotr

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Subject: Re: [tied] Illyrian as satem


> Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> > III. Examples of the reflection with spirants of PIE g/h/
> > A. Geographic names
> > 1. Adzizio (Tab. Peut.), station in Hercegovina and Zidian, Zizis
> > (Rav. 3.8). Exept these Assidium was placed by A. Meyer to the PIE
> > name of the goat, for example got. Gaits `goat', lat. haedhis `goat-
> > kid' (.). Briziminio, Burzumon, Berzumno (It. Ant., 339, 12; Rav. 4,
> > 16; Tab. Peut.), today Podgorica was connected by F. Ribezzo and A.
> > Meyer with br.hant- `strong', br.hati `height' <*berg'h-.whence the
> > name of the castle in Dardania.
> > Konushevci
>
> It is a wide discution if the Latin diphtong /ae/ was pronounced in fact
> /ai/ or not.
> The words as "haedus" or "caesar" which are represented in Gothic as
> /ai/ (Gaits) and German Keiser (Caesar) should be relevant?
> Which are in fact the arguments the Latin /ae/ was /ae/ and not /ai/?
> For /ae/= /ai/ in Latin speaks too the name Kogaion which in Latin
> appears rendered as "Kogaeonus".