Re: [tied] Pronoun

On Sun, 18 May 2003 11:54:12 +0200, alex_tiscali_dsl
<alxmoeller@...> wrote:

>Miguel Carrasquer wrote:
>>
>> Unstressed:
>> illam > ella > lla > wa > o.
>
>that doesn't work.

Yes it does.

>The solution of Mr Iacomi looks more plausible since
>loosing the "n" from "unã" there is an "uã" which is more like "o".

You are confusing <o> "a" (< una) with <o> "her" (<illam).

>The lla > wa > o is simply nothing since there should be phoneticaly
>something else (lla > ia)

-lla gives -wa in ziua, steaua.

>1)Miguel, do you intend to say that illum / illam have been in Latin
>used stressed and unstressed ?

Yes of course. Since you are apparently not familiar with any Romance
languages besides Romanian:

stressed (personal pronoun, subject):

Port. Spa. Cat. Fre. Ita. Rom.
m. ele él ell il (egli, ei) el
f. ela ella ella elle (ella) ea
n. ello

m. eles ellos ells ils (eglino) ei
f. elas ellas elles elles (elleno) ele

stressed (personal pronoun dative)
m. lui lui lui
f. lei ei
pl. leur loro lor

unstressed (personal pronoun, [indirect] object)

m o lo el,lo le il,lo (î)l
f a la la la la o
dat lhe le li gli(e),le (î)i

m os los els,los les li (î)i
f as las les les le le
dat lhes les els-hi li,le le

unstressed (article)

m o el el,lo le il,lo -ul,-le
f a la la la la -a

m os los els,los les i, gli -i
f as las les les le -le

>2)Accepting the palatalisation of "ll" there must be a kind of "i"
>there,instead of "ll", it cannot be lost in the air.

What are you talking about?? There is no palatalization of /ll/ in
<o>.

>And indeed there
>is one,we see it in the conjugation of the verb to take
>(a lua< Letin levare):
>iau, iei, ia, luãm, luaTi, iau, conjunctiv. "sa ia", with dialectal
>form "sã ieie".

This follows simply from the fact that stressed /E/ > /ie/ ~ /iea/ and
unstressed /e/ > /e/ ~ /ã/. The singular and 3pl. had /lié(a)-/ >
/yé/, /yá/, while the 1 & 2pl., infinitive and participle had /levá-/

> /luá-/.

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
mcv@...