>*****GK: So that on this view "Moldova" would have
>been named by the same process that gave us "Bukovyna"?
******
That's what some have proposed. (But AFAIK, "Bukowina"
was coined by the Austrian, i.e. Habsburg, administra-
tion in the 18th century, after it grabbed those
Moldavian counties from under the control of the
Ottoman empire.)
What's the tree name in Ukrainian? (mol___?)
>*****GK: A Ukrainian analogy is discernible in names
>like "Lytvyn"
BTW, there are many Litvins in Romania, and
not only in eastern counties, but in western
ones (i.e. former Hungarian ones) as well.
Also Jewish Lifschitz/Lipset & the like.
>or "Moskal'"
Here, although the Romanian equivalent is "muscal",
that would give "Muscalu", the family name is
Moscu (or Moscovici, esp. when the bearer is
Jewish).
>*****GK: The Carpi fit this scenario of course. But in
>this connection I'd like to verify something else. I
>remember reading somewhere (perhaps on this very list
>but the who or when escapes me), that there is a
>depiction on Trajan's Dacian War column of some mass
>out-migration by Free Dacians at the conclusion of the
>war. Northward and northeastward I believe. Is this
>so?****
I don't know. But it'd be anyway of less relevance,
since the assumption that in the Trajan's wars the
Dacian perished is anyway wrong (and abandoned for
1-2 centuries now). Because there are sources saying
Dacians existed after the conquest, as well as "free"
Dacian outside the occupied territory. After the
Roman administration retreated in 271 under Aurelianus,
those free ones, of course, had the upper hand.
What's OTOH striking -- and it should be to Alex,
too -- is that, in spite of Dacians having regained
freedom, they disappeared (as a distinct ethno-ling-
uistic entity) 3-4 centuries later for good, leaving
almost no valuable (I mean distinct) linguistic traces.
Since there isn't any account on an outstanding
massacre or epidemiologic occurrence, common sense
urges us to think of some assimilation or another
(into the Romance-speaking or the Slavic-speaking
masses - or both).
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Unfortunately, I don't know how old Moldova Veche in
Banat is, and who founded it. At least according to
the lists & attached prosed to it in this web page:
http://apar.archaeology.ro/db_artrjaeng.htm
the locality seems to have been included in a
network of important ancient localities in a region
North of Serdica (Sofia) and Naissus (Nis^) and
East of Sirmium (Srmska Mitrovica, Belgrad); and
only a few km from another locality, Cuvin, that
was one of the polit-centers of the ephemeral so-
called "Moravian Empire" of the 9th century.
George