--- alex_lycos <
altamix@...> wrote:
> >
> > GK: And since linguistic interplay does not
> > require "intermingling" but can occur in
> situations of
> > close geographical proximity, we should also bear
> in
> > mind that Basternae and other Germanics had been
> > direct neighbours of Getae/Dacians for
> > half-a-millennium prior to the arrival of the
> Goths. A
> > sufficiently long period of time it seems to
> me.
>
>
> About the Bastarnae is not clear if they have been
> germanic or not.
*****GK: As clear as can be. The attestations of Pliny
(NH, IV,82,100) and Tacitus (Germ., 46) are
sufficient. They were a mixed lot, with components of
Dacian and Sarmatian origin, but the Germanic factor
was dominant (as with the later Goths).*****
> Jordanes doesn't keep them for germanic,
*****GK: The fact that he is not particularly
interested in them doesn't mean that he did not
consider them to be Germanic. There are many other
Germanic tribal names in Jordanes which appear only
once or twice.*****
and there
> are rumors they have
> been celtic.
*****GK: You shouldn't believe rumours Alex (:=)))
I see that the issue of old Germanic loanwords in
Romanian has been much discussed overnight. The bottom
line (so far) seems to be that there are none. Feel
free to dispute this. And as far as your comment about
the Goths in Spain is concerned: the point is that we
don't have to worry about this since the written
documents are clear and abundant. This is precisely
what is lacking about proto-Romanians north of the
Danube. I find it extremely odd to say the least that
if the Old Dacians of the North stayed in place and
were subjected to Romanization, that somehow, over the
centuries, no evidence would have survived of their
extremely long, and intimate, contacts with various
Old Germanic populations, prior to and posterior to
the advent of the Romans. We're not just talking about
a couple of generations here.*****
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