Re: Ardagast/Radogost

Radogosh is also an place name in Albania and it seems closely
connected to metathetic form Ardagast. So, for my opinion, it could
also segmented as ard- (Celt. hill) + -ag (*ag 'road') and well-
known suffix -ast. The Celtic root is well attested in many place
names: Arduba in Illyria (cf. Korduba in Spain), Ardenica in Albania
with microtoponym The Hills of Ardenica, etc. The second element is
PIE root *ag- "to lead" in o grade *og- derived in Albanian
udhë 'road' (cf. përudhë 'to show the way to') attested in place
name Hogosht, characteristic aspiration of first wovel in Albanian,
besides Serbian form Ogosht. That one leader could gets name from a
place name, when he had won a battle, it's well-known fact etc.

Regards,
Konushevci
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--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Piotr Gasiorowski"
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> George,
>
> For easier reference, I'll split the thread and deal exclusively

with

> Ardagast before addressing the other questions.
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
>
> > *****GK: ARDAGAST is the recorded name of a 6th c. "Sklav"

leader.

> It is not certain that this is a Slavic name (B. Struminski, "Were
> the Antes Eastern Slavs?" , HARVARD UKRAINIAN STUDIES, III-IV

(1979-

> 1980), pt.2, pp. 786ff. argued that it wasn't, and suggested a

Gothic

> provenance.)
>
> But as far as I'm aware, <arda-> is meaningless in Gothic terms,
> while for Slavic we reconstruct *órdU [árdU] as the protoform or
> <radU>, a well-known adjective and onomastic element. The name
> <radogastU> is excellently attested, as are other Slavic names

with

> <rado-> or <-radU>. The Slavic etymology is therefore entirely
> unproblematic, while the Germanic ones leaves us with an unsolved
> problem (plus the question why the "Sklavs" should have been

Gothic).

>
> > Also: if the original ARDAGAST is a garbled RADAGAST,
>
> The advantage of the Slavic explanation is that it needn't be

garbled

> at all. *[árdagastU] is precisely how we reconstruct the old
> pronunciation of <radogostU>, a name that does not have to be
> invented.
>
> > it is comparable to RADAGAISUS (+405). And the -GAST ending

seems

> quite Germanic ( cf. ARBOGAST).
>
> Slavic onomastic *-gostU is just as good as Germanic *-gastiz.

Both

> are independently inherited reflexes of the same IE word. As I

have

> said before, *[a] in *[-gastU] is just a way of transcribing the
> early Slavic pronunciation of *o.
>
> Piotr