[tied] Re: Japanese as a creole language?

> > Exactly. Until they needed the Strasbourg oaths, in German
> > and French for exactly that purpose, to recognize that the
> > emperor ruled two communities, those two languages existed
> > as lower registers of an official tongue. It would be as
> > if after a black take-over, Black English would be used to
> > inaugurate a president.
>
> No, it wouldn't. I presume that you can figure out on your
> own why the relationship of AAVE to formal spoken English is
> not particularly similar to the relationship between early
> Old French and Latin, now that the existence of a difference
> has been pointed out.

No. And when did you "point out" a difference? I'm afraid that
escaped me.

>
> > That doesn't mean that language didn't exist before that
> > occasion. But still it's a creole.
>
> It's possible that AAVE derives from a creole; it's now
> simply a dialect of English.

And it's possible that the English language derives from a creole;
it's now simply a language.

> > Even Icelandic developped a Danish and Low German
> > mixed creole in the middle ages, before that was stamped
> > out (but they stil say 'tak "thank you").
>
> No. Icelandic borrowed from Danish and Low German (and
> subsequently got rid of most of the borrowings). That does
> not a creole make. No pidgin, no creole. (And this has to
> be the silliest example of a 'creole' yet.)
>

Yes, I should have checked that there was also declensional
simplification etc.

Torsten