--- Piotr Gasiorowski <
piotr.gasiorowski@...>
wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "george knysh" <gknysh@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Vladimir
>
>
>
> > > (1) The old forms are directly attested in the
> earliest documented Slavic names (Dargomir-, etc.),
> >
> > GK: Anything beside the (possibly misspelled)
> Bulgarian DARGAMEROS? We have a Prince DOROGOROG of
> the later 9th c. mentioned in the Cividale Gospel.
> He is assumed to have come on his pilgrimage from
> the Carpathians.
>
> (Piotr)<ardagastos> (= <radogostU>)
*****GK: ARDAGAST is the recorded name of a 6th c.
"Sklav" leader. It is not certain that this is a
Slavic name (B. Struminski, "Were the Antes Eastern
Slavs?" , HARVARD UKRAINIAN STUDIES, III-IV
(1979-1980), pt.2, pp. 786ff. argued that it wasn't,
and suggested a Gothic provenance.) Also: if the
original ARDAGAST is a garbled RADAGAST, it is
comparable to RADAGAISUS (+405). And the -GAST ending
seems quite Germanic ( cf. ARBOGAST). Note that
ARDAGAST's "Sklav" colleagues (PERIGAST, DAURIT) bore
names whose Slavic identity is equally
problematic.****
>(Piotr) <baldimer> (= <volodime^r>, <vladimirU>,
etc.)
******GK: Would you provide a source for this
BALDIMER? I only have LAODOMUR from the "Annales
Fuldenses".*****
> (Piotr) <perslaban> (= <pereslavU>, <pre^slavU>,
etc.)
******GK: Khan Omurtag's 821 foundation which became
Simeon's capital? What is the date of this Greek
"perslaban"? Would it be anthroponymic in origin?
PERSLAV (like PEREMYSL)?*****
NB: I'm not questioning the basic conclusion, just
looking at some of the peripheral evidence. (George)
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