Re: Germanic Scythians?

From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 20291
Date: 2003-03-24

Dear Alex
I think that Rum. word kepec must be segmented as kep- + -ec, when -
ec is deminutiv Slavic suffix. I agree that Alb. pet- + -k
(ë) "garment" are from the same root with Rum. pet- + -ec, very
unproductive (cf. Sll. mjesec "moon", zec " rabbit") with doubtfull
origin. It's also present in Albanian mistrec "undergrown,
undersized", like Slavic kepec with same meaning, etc.
Albanian and Rumanian, in one or other way, prooved that we have to
deal much with an unvoiced stop /p/ then voiced one /b/.
Regards:
Abdullah Konushevci

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> wrote:
> Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> >> 2. Why it's hard to believe that *d = [t'] in pre-Germanic
> >>
> >> In the earliest Celtic loans in Germanic and in a few
Wanderwörter
> > of other origin, original /b, d, g/ ended up as PGmc. *p, *t, *k,
> > e.g
> >>
> >> *ri:g- --> *ri:k- 'king'
> >> *du:no- --> *tu:na- 'fort, enclosure'
> >> *baita: (Gk. [Att.] baite:, [Dor.] baita:, believed to be a loan
> > from Thracian) --> *paido: 'leather coat, jerkin'
> >> *kanabi- (Gk. kannabis) --> *xanapi- 'hemp'
>
> I must say, I did not found this glosse until now. Since there is
an * I
> have to ask which are the considerents to think the word *paido
existed
> in Thracian?
>
> >
> > From Tagliavini Dalamazia 219; Treimer KZ LXV 88-89; Xhuvani
BShkSh
> > VI/2 32; Pokorny I 92-193; Camaj Alb. Wortb. 133 (suffix -kë)
Orel
> > Balcanica 114 (with unvoicing form *baita); Demiraj AE 316 - all
> > agree that it's Illyrian-Albanian word petk/petkë<*baita + -k(ë)
> > with meaning "clothes, garment".
>
> Here you should put Rom. "petec" = piece of garment and "Pânza"=
tissue.
> both with unknown etymology.
>
>
> For evolution ai > e: PIE *aig >
> > edh "goat-kid", *ais- > ethe "fever", *aik > eth "to hold, to
take
> > bull" or river name Er-+-en+-ik < Celt. Aire "strong river".
>
> Do not forget here the Rom. word for "goat-kid"= "ied" which simply
> fallows the rule e > ie as allways in an accentued position in
rom.The
> explanation of latin "haedus" > Rom. "ied" is phonologically
posible
> too. Since the feminine for ied= iadã I ask myself which is the
> etymology of Greek Mountain "Ida". But now I corellate it with
what Deev
> said and I see again here g > d ( ok, Decev speak about g' > d).
What I
> wonder is if this PIE *aig is a right root since the
Latin "haedus" is
> supposed to come from an PIE *ghaidos
>
> Alex