From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 20291
Date: 2003-03-24
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> wrote:
> Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> >> 2. Why it's hard to believe that *d = [t'] in pre-Germanic
> >>
> >> In the earliest Celtic loans in Germanic and in a few
Wanderwörter
> > of other origin, original /b, d, g/ ended up as PGmc. *p, *t, *k,
> > e.g
> >>
> >> *ri:g- --> *ri:k- 'king'
> >> *du:no- --> *tu:na- 'fort, enclosure'
> >> *baita: (Gk. [Att.] baite:, [Dor.] baita:, believed to be a loan
> > from Thracian) --> *paido: 'leather coat, jerkin'
> >> *kanabi- (Gk. kannabis) --> *xanapi- 'hemp'
>
> I must say, I did not found this glosse until now. Since there is
an * I
> have to ask which are the considerents to think the word *paido
existed
> in Thracian?
>
> >
> > From Tagliavini Dalamazia 219; Treimer KZ LXV 88-89; Xhuvani
BShkSh
> > VI/2 32; Pokorny I 92-193; Camaj Alb. Wortb. 133 (suffix -kë)
Orel
> > Balcanica 114 (with unvoicing form *baita); Demiraj AE 316 - all
> > agree that it's Illyrian-Albanian word petk/petkë<*baita + -k(ë)
> > with meaning "clothes, garment".
>
> Here you should put Rom. "petec" = piece of garment and "Pânza"=
tissue.
> both with unknown etymology.
>
>
> For evolution ai > e: PIE *aig >
> > edh "goat-kid", *ais- > ethe "fever", *aik > eth "to hold, to
take
> > bull" or river name Er-+-en+-ik < Celt. Aire "strong river".
>
> Do not forget here the Rom. word for "goat-kid"= "ied" which simply
> fallows the rule e > ie as allways in an accentued position in
rom.The
> explanation of latin "haedus" > Rom. "ied" is phonologically
posible
> too. Since the feminine for ied= iadã I ask myself which is the
> etymology of Greek Mountain "Ida". But now I corellate it with
what Deev
> said and I see again here g > d ( ok, Decev speak about g' > d).
What I
> wonder is if this PIE *aig is a right root since the
Latin "haedus" is
> supposed to come from an PIE *ghaidos
>
> Alex