Re: [tied] Re: Westergrupen

Hi John, you wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:20:28 -0000 "John" <jdcroft@...> writes:

> Hello Michael
> You wrote
> > And also in my Harper Collins Atlas Of World History it shows a
> > north-west European zone between the Aller and the Somme rivers of
> > languages neither Celtic or Germanic, but non-Indo European, and
> > this is gathered from place names. It proposes a
> pre-Indo-European
> > people squeezed between expanding Celtic and Germanic peoples. I
> > would assume this would pre-date the Westergrupen you mentioned,
> as
> > the Belgae didn't migrated West across the Rhine until later.
>
> Michael I understood that the Nordwestgrupen WAS an Indo-European
> people, just another group submerged between Celtic and Germanic.

I know, I was just wondering if there were 2 of these proposed
non-Celtic, non-Germanic languages, one earlier non-Indo-European, and
one later Indo-European language of the Belgae. So, are you saying that
the language I mentioned that was in my Harper Collins Atlas was the
Indo-European language of the Belgae you're talking about? Were they
mistaken in saying that it was non-Indo-European?
You continued:

> Regarding the Belgae, it is suggested that this group was the
> Belgae,
> and thus the Flemish, Dutch and Friesan areas were the homeland of
> the Belgae - they did not need to move across the Rhine. They
> probably are the remnants of people of the Middle Bronze Age
> cultures
> outside the spread of the central European Urnfields. We also find
> that these people were both Celticised and Germanised.

John, so do you think that the "Nordwestgrupen" -speaking Belgae
pre-dated Celtic speakers in the area? What do make of Caesar's mention
of the tradition in Gaul that the Belgae were mostly descended from more
recent settlers from across the Rhine, who drove out most of the previous
inhabitants?

And do you have any opinions or ideas what pre-Indo-European languages,
or what pre-Belgic/pre-Celtic/pre-Germanic languages were spoken in NW
Europe?

-Michael

> Regards
>
> John
>
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