From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 20277
Date: 2003-03-24
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From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
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Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:44 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Germanic Scythians?
>> It follows that at the time the borrowing took place, foreign
voiced stops were identified with the pre-Gmc. *d series. This is
consistent with the traditional interpretation of pre-Gmc. *d as a
[d]-type consonant subsequently shifted to *t by Grimm's Law.
> Objection: We might have a Shibboleth-situation here, and the loans
may be Cadraig-type loans ("their /d/ is our /t/) and thus have been
borrowed after Grimm.
Hardly. Those loans that were certainly borrowed after Grimm's Law (e.g. those from Latin, including without exception even the earliest ones, but also a number of Celtic words) show no such effects. In that layer of borrowings, foreign t, d, etc. --> Gmc. *t, *d, etc. as expected.
Piotr