[tied] Re: Germanic Scythians?

From: tgpedersen
Message: 20112
Date: 2003-03-20

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
>
> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > > > GK: There is ample archaeological evidence
> > > > associating the southeastern spread of Germanic
> > > > dialects (including those of the Sciri and
> > Basternae)
> > > > with the southeastern expansion of the Jastorf
> > > > culture, beginning in the 3rd c. BC. This BTW
> > was made
> > > > possible by the near total collapse of classical
> > > > Scythia in the generations posterior to the
> > defeat of
> > > > Zopirion.
> > (T)At the hands of the Sarmatians, right?
>
> *****GK: If you mean Zopirion, then no. Zopirion was
> Alexander's general in Thrace. In 331 BC he attempted
> to conquer Olbia. His army (numbering 30,000+) was
> completely annihilated by the Scythians.== If you mean
> the Scythians, then yes. The last significant "royal"
> tomb of classical Scythia was recently excavated by a
> consortium of Polish and Ukrainian archaeologists. It
> is located fairly close to Kyiv, and dated ca. 275-->
> BC. In the period 275-225 BC the Sarmatians (Iazygi
> and Roxolani)wiped out most of the Scythians of
> Eastern Ukraine, while most of those who resided in
> Western Ukraine (led by the Auchata/Aratores) migrated
> to the Dobrudja, founding one of the two Scythian
> successor kingdoms known (acc. to Strabo) as Little
> Scythia. Since these migrants were preponderantly
> Thrakoid-speakers, their integration into the local
> population south of the Danube was rather swift. And
> lest I forget, there was also a migrant group which
> sought (and received) asylum from King Ptolemy. They
> founded Scythopolis near the Jordan r.******
>
>
On the mix of Iazyges and native Germani

http://classics.mit.edu/Tacitus/annals.8.xii.html

this is ca. 50 AD. As I thought, native Germanic infantry, Iranian
cavalry.

BTW I wonder if Adorsi = Aorsi?

And check

http://www.euratlas.com/time/nea0001.htm

Obviously to get from Tanakvisl (going by the name a fork in the Don,
thus close to the mouth of the river) to Thuringia you cross
Bastarnean territory (I suppose the won't matter too much for the
location of various peoples that the map is 50 years off).

Torsten