--- tgpedersen <
tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> I better give my whole scenario:
>
> Germanic Stammbaum
> bef. 200 BCE
> "Old Germanic" spoken in Scandinavia.
*****GK: Germanic is also associated with the area of
the Jastorf culture in N. Germany*****
>
> 200 BCE
> Old Germanic in Scandinavia, Scirian and
> Bastarnean in Southern
> Poland moving southeast.
*****GK: There is ample archaeological evidence
associating the southeastern spread of Germanic
dialects (including those of the Sciri and Basternae)
with the southeastern expansion of the Jastorf
culture, beginning in the 3rd c. BC. This BTW was made
possible by the near total collapse of classical
Scythia in the generations posterior to the defeat of
Zopirion.*******
>
> 50 BCE
> Old Germanic in Scandinavia, Bastarnean arrives in
> Thuringia, where
> it mixes with the earlier arrived Iranian speakers
> to become
> Hermundurian.
******GK: Now this is completely fantastic, as pointed
out many many times, apparently to no avail. In 60/50
BC the only "Iranians" which would (barely, since
neither controlled cities)fit Snorri's Odin story
would be either the Aorsi or the Alans. There is no
evidence that representatives of either group had
reached "Gardariki" (Don to Danube) before the 1rst c.
AD, and certainly no archaeological evidence of any
kind in Central Europe to substantiate this. There is
no evidence that the Basternae, still very powerful,
had acquired an Iranic ruling class in any sense or
location in 60/50 BC. There is no evidence AT ALL of
any massive Bastarnean removal to the West. We know a
great deal about the Bastarnean material culture of
the 1rst c. BC, the so-called Poeneshti-Lukashevka
cult. There are no P/L elements in central Europe in
the 1rst c. BC NONE. It's not at all surprising that
there are no linguistic arguments worth a candle to
back up Torsten's scenario.******
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