Re: [tied] Re: Mallory's New PIE Homeland?

It's interesting that Indo-Europeans seem to be regarded as intrusive
EVERYWHERE, and seem to never be regarded as indigenous to any particalr
area. (of course this is information we don't know). But if you look up
any country where Indo-Europeans were present in an encyclopedia, in no
country will you read about Indo-Europeans as the autochthonous
population, they will always be described as intrusive. And yet, they
were indigenous somewhere, but I would think not in a narrowly defined
geographical area. The boundaries of their "homeland" was probabaly
fluctuate due to their mobility.

ANd I've never understood why Indo-European groups are always considered
latecomers. For example, Celtic speakers in the British Isles are
usually not considered to have come until no earlier than 1200-1000 B.C..
WHy not earlier? If speakers of non-IE
language groups could have been far spread geographically at an early
date, why not IE speakers?

-Michael
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:37:15 -0000 "ehlsmith" <ehlsmith@...>
writes:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry" <waluk@...> wrote:
> > Ned,
> > Doesn't the dispersal of a language equate to its homeland?
>
> Gerry,
>
> No, one is where it started from, the other is where its descendants
>
> ended up.
>
> >You aren't looking for the "original" (or first) speaker of I-E,
> >are you?
>
> I'm not looking for anything ;-) , but those looking for the PIE
> homeland are trying to determine where Proto-Indoeuropean was spoken
>
> before it fragmented and its descendants' expansion into new
> territory (as I understand it, there are good linguistic reasons for
>
> supposing that the original PIE-speaking homeland could not be as
> large as the subsequent areas inhabited by later speakers of IE
> languages).
>
> Ned
> >
> > Gerry
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ehlsmith
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:18 AM
> > Subject: [tied] Re: Mallory's New PIE Homeland?
> >
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, x99lynx@... wrote:
> > > Sorry for the late posting.
> > >
> > > I WROTE:
> > > Renfrew puts "the IE Homeland" in Anatolia (he's not the first
>
> - V.
> > Gordon
> > > Childe, who was the first major scholar to put PIE in the
> Ukraine,
> > changed
> > > his mind later and put it in Anatolia, too). Mallory puts it
> in
> > the "Pontic
> > > region" which turns out to be the Ukraine.
> > >
> > > "Gerry" <waluk@...> wrote (Tue Feb 11, 2003)
> > > <<Actually Mallory places the IE homeland in a broad pathway
> > extending from
> > > the Atlantic to the Pontic regions. Anyhow, that's the map he
>
> > created when
> > > he spoke at Stanford last year.>>
> > >
> > > THIS is big news! I haven't seen anything else about this.
> Is
> it
> > published
> > > anywhere? This would seem to be in fact incorporating a bit
> of
> > Renfrew.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know anything more about this?
> > >
> > > Steve Long
> >
> > Sounds suspiciously like a map of his view of the dispersal of
> IE
> > languages into Europe rather than of the PIE homeland per se,
> IMHO.
> >
> > Ned Smith
> >
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