[tied] Re: Germanic Scythians?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> wrote:

> Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> > Because they play very important role in the history of Dardania
> > about 5 centuries and there are many traces of Celtic language in
> > different place names, I am very interested to know as much as I

can

> > for these tribes, so I bag every one to e-mail me any information,
> > exept these we could fine to the historical sources
> >
> > Regards:
>
>
> It is interesting there are rumours the Bastarnae have been not

Germanic

> but they have been Celts.
> Jordanes for instance doesn't count them as Germanic tribes and he
> hardly speak about them. So far I remember he call them "Peucines"

like

> the island where they inhabited last. I am not sure what Dio Cassius
> says but when he speak about Dacians and Suebi, he mentions exactly

that

> the Suebi are Germanic and the Dacians should be some "Scythians".

Dio

> speaks about Yaziges and Roxolanes showing they should be related to
> each other. But if these are Iranians ( are they?) and related to

some

> other Sarmatic tribes, the Dacians are not considered "Sarmatic" or
> "Iranians" but as all of these mentioned here, they should be
> "Scythians".Since there are several opinions about Bastarnae, it

should

> be worth to know , which ancient sources mention the Bastarnae as

being

> Germanic people ? The last mention about them I remember to have

been

> with the apparition of the Goths and nothing after this. Which are

the

> reason to suppose they migrated back in the Germanic forests ? Are

there

> any testimonies?
>
> Alex

Thuringia was north of the Hercynian forest and was a Drehscheibe
(transfer point) or trade already in the Bronze Age. I can't remember
if it's Caesar or Tacitus (Germania) who can't make up his mind
whether he considers the Bastarnae a Germanic people. To me it
suggests they spoke a sister language to Proto-Germanic. In my script
those tribes the "Odin"-led Thuringi subjugated on his campaigns from
Thuringia were Celtic-speaking.

Torsten