Re: [tied] Re: The Philistines

tyrannos is also currently linked to the Etruscan name of Venus, Turan.
But it's hard to me not link *tyrrhenos to IE *dHrsu- "strong, bold".
tyrrhenos, thyrsenos < *tHursenos
tusculus < *torscolos < *tRsko-los < Greek *thurs-?

I have a very personal idea that Do:ros "Dorian", came from IE *dHersos, of
same meaning, through any Albanian-like language, dHerso->derHo->do:ro-.

Other possibility is *dHerg^H- "strong", but transition dHRg^H > *tHurs-
would need a Satemic via.

Joao SL

----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Gordon <glengordon01@...>
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Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The Philistines


>
> >The reason I raised this "Seren" point is that it seems just
> >about the only Philistine word (non-Semitic) to have survived,
> >other than some personal names.
>
> It's funny. This /tarwannas/=/tyrannos/ thing looks a lot like
> the word I reconstructed for Proto-Tyrrhenian, *Tarw¨¦sena "Tyrrhenian,
> person/people of Troy" from *Tarw¨¦se "Troy; of Taru", built on *Tar¨²,
> a deity of storm borrowed from the Hattic.
>
> You say it means just "lord"? Funny, is all. I feel tempted to suggest
> *tarw¨¦na "one of Taru" as a tantalizing origin :) Just for fun at least.
> Afterall, one site (http://www.metrum.org/gyges/tyrannos.htm) mentions:
> "No matter what was the original meaning of the word .us tyrannos, the
> Greeks understood it as having the meaning of military leader,
> specifically of leader of hoplite troops." Hmm, yes, a connection with
> Taru is really, really tempting given a military connection.
>
>
> >I rather doubt the Ph. were Mycenaean Greeks (despite the pottery
> >argument). And their origin from "Kaphtor" (which doesn't necessarily
> >stand only for Crete) remains obscure. All we know is that they suddenly
> >appear in Egyptian records under their name (sometime in the first third
> >of the 12th c. BC), that they are a component of the "People of the
> >Sea"
>
> Gee, sounds very Tyrrhenian. It seems to me that the Etruscans would
> have travelled from Asia Minor to Italy in the following centuries to
> come while other languages like Lemnian and Eteo-Cypriot lingered in
> the area for a while longer.
>
> To me, the "Sea Peoples" were a collection of peoples with differing
> cultures and languages but I think that a major chunk of them were
> Tyrrhenian-speaking peoples that dispersed around the time you mention
> above, perhaps because of famine and perhaps also because of other
> Indo-European peoples pushing them out.
>
> Or so I thinks so far. Does everyone hate me now?
>
>
> - gLeN
>
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