From: Michael J Smith
Message: 19676
Date: 2003-03-10
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Michael J Smith <lookwhoscross-________________________________________________________________
> eyednow@...> wrote:
> > Hi Torsten, you wrote:
> >
> > > In my opinion, the Tungri (after whom Tongern in Flanders was
> named)
> > >
> > > were Thuringians, thus the first tribe to speak Germanic as we
> know
> > > it
> >
> > Torsten, what do you mean by them being the first to speak
> >Germanic
> > as we know it?
> The first Germanic speaking tribes we hear about are the Sciri and
> Bastarnae around 200 BCE in Southern Poland. They probably came from
>
> Scandinavia. Contemporary writers say the language of the Bastarnae
> (note the the name) was corrupted because of their close relations
> with the Sarmatians.
> The language of the Iranian-elite, Bastarnean rank-and-file host in
> Thuringia (Snorri's Saxland); let's call it Tungrian, was then a
> further mixing up of the two languages (but based on Bastarnean).
> This Tungrian language is then Proto-Germanic, as we know it. The
> language of Scandinavia at the time, which I call Old Germanic, was,
>
> as a result of the "Odin" invasion, replaced by a dialect of
> Tungrian.
>
> >
> > (but note: no Germanic shift yet, it must have taken place just
> > > after); later, as more tribes were subjugated and picked up the
> new
> > > camp language, all these tribes were known as Germani.
> >
> > What's this new camp language? Do you mean they spoke Celtic
> before
> > acquiring the Thuringian's dialect or a different form of
> Germanic?
>
> Not Celtic. Thuringia in my book is the Urheimat of both West and
> North Germanic as we know it.
> They: Iranian-speaking cavalry and Bastarnean speaking infantry.
>
> >ANd
> > what evidence is there of the Tungri being the Thuringians?
> None, except that the names are alike and the peoples appear at the
> same time. That's good enough for me.
>
> > WOuld love to know- Michael
>
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> Torsten
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