Re: [tied] Re: dracones

akonushevci@... wrote:

> If they arn't semantic cognates they are phonologic ones and the
> meaning of "sickle" (Greek to drepanon "sickle", sll. srp "sickle")
> and harpy " a malign monster part woman and part bird" are much more
> different than between gjarp and harpyiai

Hmmm.. I just think now at Rom. "skorpie"= harpy, which should be a
slavic word borowed into Rom ( slavic "skorpija") . The another word is
"zgripTur", with feminine "zgripTuroaica" but this looks more to
'griphon' as to 'harpie.' "ZgripTur" is given by DEX as related ( not
borrowed) to neogreek "griphs
Both of them griphon and harpy are beings which flies and have big krals

I am not sure which should be the basis of harpy. It is true, they are
to be seen as beings who could fly. But they have been becoming known
not because thy culd fly, but becuase they scratched I guess.
Abnd if I say scratch then I must think at :
"scurma" ( to grout),"scormoni" (to rumagge),"zgâria"( to scrape, to
scratch),"gheara" (claw) and maybe "zgurã" (scurf)
The etymology for all these words is unknown, except "scurma" where it
is (again) supposed a latin *excorrimare and "zgâria" with the Latin
*scaberare ( scaber).

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> Konushevci
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel J. Milton <dmilt1896@...>"
> <dmilt1896@...> wrote:
>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci
>> <akonushevci@...> wrote:
>>
>>> For me, Greek cognat of Alb. gjarp is Harpy "a mailing monster -
>>> curiously - part woman and part bird", Lat. serpens
>> ______
>> I'm not sure what a mailing monster is, but I certainly don't like
>> the
>> idea of 'gjarp' and 'harpy' being cognate
>>
>> Alb. 'gjarp', Gk. 'herpes', L. 'serpens' < Pokorny 1699 SER,
>> SERP "snake"
>> Gk. '(H)arpuiai' < Pokorny 1701 SER, SERP "sickle" and secondarily
>> (?) "grasp".
>>
>> Whatever they may have been originally (winds?), Harpies were
>> creatures of the air, snakes are not. If the Proto-IndoEuropeans
>> had a problem with "snake" and "sickle" being homonyms, they seem
> to
>> have survived it
>> Dan
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