Allegedly attested Dacian & Illyrian "cerb-"

alex_lycos wrote:

>Moesia Inferior , toponym: Cerbatis. Even Tomascheck mention
>this one with the specification the old Callatis
>should have been called initialy "Cerbetis".

Okay, thank you. Did Tomaschek also give any info
pertaining to what "Cerbetis" could've meant?

>In fact conf. Plinius should have mentioned this one under
>the form "Karbatis", "Kerbetis" (no "th" there)(where exactly
>in Plinius, I cannot tell since Tomascheck did not gave exactly
>where)

Did Tomaschek assert that "Cerbetis" = "Kerbetis/Karbatis"?
Or, to put it this way, were they synonyms? And if they were
synonyms or if they weren't: did "Cerbetis" and/or "Kerbetis
/Karbatis" have the same meaning as the Romanian word "cerb"?

>In illirian (Pogirch) there is the toponym "Cerbalus"

Did Mr Cicerone Poghirc write that the Illyrian "Cerbalus"
had the Romanian meaning of "cerb"?

>One should not wonder since this word "cerv-" is indeed
>to find in a lot of corespondences with this form.

I know; e.g. "cerveau" in French. But this is not the same
thing as "cerb" in Romanian.

>poln. = karw, from this one loaned in Old. Prusian "curwis",

Yes, I know there are: "Kürbis" and "Kurve" in German,
"cucurbata" in Romanian etc., but these - again - don't
have the meaning of "cerb" as in Romanian.

>old Persian "sirwis (with k > s ) from this one loaned in finnish
>"hirvi", Greek sergoi (interesting PIE k > s in Greek?), Lappisch
>"c^uarvi", Lithuanian "karve",Russian "korova", etc. They are all
>words from PIE *ker (Kopf, Horn, Gipfel).

So, you imply that these words mean "cerb"? As far as the
antlers ar of concern, I tend to agree; also considering
the fact that the Hungarian word for "cerb" is "szarvaS",
i.e. "antlers, Geweih carrier".

>It can be that the "Ceraunes Mountain" meant just "The High
>mountains".

Do you or the scholars you mention suggest that "Ceraunes"
is related to the Romanian word "cerb"?

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