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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> wrote:
>>> or gherghina, pay attention to missing "o" too)
>>
>> No problem here: this is old Romanian *tradition and lore*
>> that masc. Gherghe and fem. Gherghina mean George and
>> Georgina/Georgette. (And again: Gherghe and Gherghina are
>> *not* typical of *my* subialectal region, but they are
>> typical of *your* region. Cunoaste-ti patria!)
>
> With all the respect for your age, I must tell you I am
> disappointed. I don't want to comment on yours "Gherghe"
Better don't. If that helps making the point, I can mention
that one of my neighbours (when in Bucharest) was a certain
Mr. Gherghe. The name is certainly not as common as "Popescu"
but it would be senseless to deny its' existence.
> I very understand your point of view. You have no arguments
> but it is wise to assume there is everything new from
> Hungarians, Pethcengs, Cumans, Golden Horde, and they words
> just happened to take the same shape as we find them in some
> ancient sources.
No, you didn't understood. When there is a regular way of
deriving words from undoubtful regular sources with clear
similar meaning, then one should dismiss eye similarities
with "ancient names" we don't know about. After all, "George"
does belong not to pre-roman tradition but is connected to
Christian dragon-killer; any derivative *must* be newer.
> Until you will find the forms where from the actually form
[...]
From my point of view, this thread doesn't belong anymore to
cybalist since I find little interest to endlessly debate on an
Indo-European forum derivation of modern Romanian names. I think
it should stop here.
BTW, Iani is from Greek "Giannis"; as usual, initial Greek "Gi"
is mapped in Romanian "I" [as in my own name: Giakoumis > Iacomi
or in Giorgos > Iorgu; initial /G/ sounds very weak in Greek];
the "s" ending is not voiced when calling someone (guys with the
names spelled "Nicolas", "Demetrios" or "Marios" are actually
called "Nicola", "Demetrio" or "Mario" by Greek people). If any
doubt, see also "Kir Iani", current Greek formula in use also in
Romania.
Marius Iacomi