Re: PIE *kwokt

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham" wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_lycos" wrote:

[...]

>>>> Some scholars belive that
>>> [my labels here:]
>>>> PIE kW > p and gW > b in Romanian when not followed by /e/ &
>>>> /i/
>>> [statement #1]
>>>> and kW >k and gW > g when not fallowed by /e/ and /i/
>>> [statement #2]
>>>
>>> No scholar could "belive" that. Statements 1 and 2 are
>>> mutually incompatible.
>>> The rule is: _Latin_ qua > Romanian pa & _Latin_ gua > Rom.
>>> ba with exception of wh* words (in Miguel's notation)
>>> Otherwise, the normal evolution is elimination of labial /W/
>
> The 'not fallowed' should read 'followed'! Then Statement 2
> becomes compatible with Statement 1.

Why not otherwise, since anyways the rule is not correctly
stated? :-) The problem is not that Alex can't focus on what
he writes (which makes our day with hilarious cases as 1 & 2)
but merely that despite of repeatedly having been pointed out
the rules, he is not able to reproduce them. Replacing /a/
with (/e/ & /i/) it's neither a typo nor the result of some
incidental lack of concentration.

>> Sir, please. None spooked about your Latin here. There are
>> many words which do not derive from Latin and not about
>> _Latin_ transformation I was speaking here, but it seems
>> some people are too busy for showing the Latinity of a
>> language with a bit over the half of the pan-romanic words
>> and where, for these 300 words ( where from over 100 with a
>> funny semantic shift) are around 170 derivations rules.
>
> But what happened to Latin words is highly relevant if Latin
> and Dacian (or whatever) elements both had /kw/ (or similar)
> at some stage in the Romanian language. The words would have
> undergone the same sound changes whatever their origin.

Undoubtedly. When stating the rule for Latin words, I just
pointed out that it was established only on the basis of
these elements (i.e. not Slavic, Turkish, etc.), so the above
changes have occured at some (extended?) period between Latin
and Common Romanian.

Regards,
Marius Iacomi