From: Patrick C. Ryan
Message: 18962
Date: 2003-02-20
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From: "Miguel Carrasquer" <mcv@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Laryngeal theory as an unnatural
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 04:15:23 +0000, "Glen Gordon"
<glengordon01@...> wrote:
<snip>
It's indeed a question of voice onset time and tongue position.
Mandarin and English /d/ are unvoiced, while French /d/ is voiced.
French /d/ is dental, English alveolar (not sure offhand about
Mandarin).
<PCR>
I am at a loss of understand why you keep repeating that English /d/ is NOT voiced. By the prevalent definition of 'voice', it certainly is voiced.
At the moment of closure, it is (I think) physically impossible for voicing to be present -- before or after but not during. Therefore, I question the so-called "voiced" French /d/.
Pat
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