Re: [tied] Help with ban_Banat

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From: "Miguel Carrasquer" <mcv@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Help with ban_Banat


> As far as I know, <ban> is a Hungarian word, borrowed from Iranian.
Unfortunately, I have no information on what the Iranian word might
be. Perhaps Persian <-pa:van> (<xs^aTrapa:van-> "satrap")?

It's Persian ba:n 'lord, master, keeper'. I'm not sure where it comes from, perhaps it was distilled from compounds with -ba:n < -pa:na- '-guardian, -herd', another Iranian derivative of the same root that underlies -pa:van- (and Skt. -pa:).

> I doubt <ban> has anything directly to do with Slavic <pan> (<hpán>),
<stopan>, <z^upan> (which is borrowed as <ispán> in Magyar), unless
the Slavic words are themselves derived from Iranian <-pa:van>.

They might be indirectly related if there's any merit in Trubachev's risky idea that pan/hpán < *gUpanU < *g(a)u-pa:na-.

Piotr