Re: "Will the ‘real’ linguist please stand up?"

Is this at all any complicated question?

A probable theory is that PIE was spoken around the Danube delta.

PU was probably spoken around the medial parts of Volga.

When the PIA tribes had just separated from the main IE area, they
probably lived for some time in the area north of the Kaspian sea,
just south-east for the home of the PU tribes. From there the PIA
tribes migrated further south and east and formd the Iranian and
Indic branches.

So- is it nessary to assume a IA wave from east to west, to explain
loanwords in Uralic?.








--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "S.Kalyanaraman <kalyan97@...>"
<kalyan97@...> wrote:

> Indo-Iranian > Finno-Ugric
>
> "Will the `real' linguist please stand up? It should be obvious

that

> linguists have as much difficulty in establishing the chronological
> relationships between loanwords as any other `historical science'"
> (Mallory, J.P., 1997, The homelands of the Indo-Europeans, in:
> Arhaeology and Language, R. Blench and M. Spriggs, ed., London,
> Routledge, p. 98).
>
> This exasperation arose from the problem of explaining Finno-Ugric
> loans from Indo-Aryan (not Proto-Indo-European; Shevoroskin), Indo-
> Iranian (Dolgopolsky and D'iakonov), early Iranian (not Old Indic;
> Gamkrelidze and Ivanov), Sanskrit (Lubotsky). S.S. Misra cites
> Harmatta who had analyzed eleven consecutive chronological periods,
> from the first half of the fifth millennium BCE to the invasion of
> Europe by Hun in 4th century CE. (Harmatta, J., 1981, Proto-

Iranians

> and Proto-Indians in Central Asia in the 2nd millennium BC
> (Linguistic Evidence), in: M.S. Asimov, ed., Ethnic Problems of

the

> History of Central Asia in the Early Period, Moscow, Nauka pp. 75-
> 82.; cf. Harmatta, J., 1992, The emergence of the Indo-Iranians:

The

> Indo-Iranian Languages, in: A.H.Dani and V.M. Masson, ed., History
> of Civilizations of Central Asia, UNESCO, pp. 1: 357-378.)
> Considering that the Finno-Ugric loans ar from Indo-Iranian, Misra
> notes that Indo-Iranians came from South Asia or Afghanistan to the
> Caspian Sea region. (S.S. Misra, 1992, The Aryan Problem: A
> Linguistic Approach, New Delhi, Munshiram Manoharlal).
> This issue is discussed in Edwin Bryant, 2001, The quest for the
> origins of vedic culture: The Indo-Aryan migration debate, OUP, pp.
> 126-129) who opines that "there is unlikely to be agreement among
> linguists regarding the exact linguistic (and therefore
> chronological) identification of such loans…"
>
> What are the chances that linguists will agree with Misra? What are
> the chances that there was one wave from east to west impacting
> Finno-Ugric, and one later wave from east to southerly Caucasian?
>
> Kalyan