Re: [tied] Harii/Hirri into (H)eruli?

--- "Troels Brandt <trbrandt@...>"
<trbrandt@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> >
> > GK: That he certainly is. But this
> "Naulobates"
> > matter is so unusual that you need additional
> > information before drawing any conclusions. There
> is
> > nothing on this on the OVMN website at
> > www.museum.com.ua but that is not necessarily
> lethal
> > since what they present here is rather selective.
> They
> > do publish a Bulletin. Perhaps that is where
> Faltin
> > took his information from. Perhaps you might ask
> him
> > to be more specific. The only known co-ruler of
> > Sauromatos III is one Kotys, who brought out his
> own
> > coins. The reverse of the Sauromatos (and other
> > Bosporan royal) coins is usually reserved for the
> > Roman Emperor in the 3rd and 4th centuries. I
> wouldn't
> > want to speculate too much here, but until there
> is
> > further corroboration, I remain more than highly
> > skeptical about any "Naulobates" as co-ruler of
> > Bosporus ca. 233 AD.******
>
>
> This is the reference:
> Odesski Kollektionerni Bulletin Numismatiki (or
> similar),
> Vypusk No. 4, 'Redkie i unikal'nie moneti Savromata
> II-III',
> Odessa, 2000.

*****GK: The Bulletin of the Odessa Museum of
Numismatics (Vestnik Odesskogo Muzeia Numizmatiki) is
available on line (though not as to all particulars).
Cf. http://www.museum.com.ua/en/nauch_isled/vestn.htm
N. 3 (Vypusk No. 3) for 2000 is entitled "Redkie i
unikal'nie moneti Savromata II". There is nothing in
other issues that resembles the title you offered
above. Note that Sauromatos II ruled in 174-210. This
vypusk n. 3 offers reproductions of 12 coins. Is the
one mentioned by Faltin among them, or is it another
coin altogether?******

>
> Please notice that the point is not if he was a
> co-ruler, but that
> the name was used by the Bosporans,

*****GK: I'm starting to lose you here. Originally you
claimed (following Faltin) that "Naulobates" is known
from a coin of Sauromatos III, dated ca. 233 AD, and
that he was his co-ruler. Where else would the name be
attested as Bosporan?******

and that the

> name looks similar
> to some Bosporan names - at least for an amateur.

*****GK: Who's the amateur? Faltin? Well the official
language of the Bosporan Kingdom was Greek, even when
it was being intensively "Sarmatized". I'm open to the
view that "Naulobates" may not have been a Germanic
name (though I would like the opinion of linguists on
this. Could it be a hellenized version of a Germanic
name?) I note the presence of similarly structured
names in Herodotus, with EURYBATES being Greek, while
MITROBATES and MEGABATES are Persian.=== I would still
like more precise information about this "Naulobates"
on the coin before speculating further. Is it Faltin's
reading or that of the Museum? Is it a "scratch on" or
part of the original mint? And is it Sauromatos II or
III?******

>
> Troels
>
>
>

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